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    From the top of my hill I see 80+ turbines with their tracks. Can I please put my studmarks near them. The environmental damage to my local hills in the last 10 years is indescribable. But its subsidised by the Gov paying rich corps to avoid paying tax etc. Running up my hill is free to me, I wash my kit, buy shoes from China because our local industry is gone.
    Run for pleasure, enjoy the freedom, go where others go or don't, don't let it screw your head up. Just going to recycle some stuff. On the hills on sheep tracks for 40 years -only change is the environmental lot that have put Gormley's on the top. The ones at the seaside are much better and move as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.Bill. View Post
    The increase in numbers "SHOULD" be a good thing �� Not for the extra congestion in sensitive areas ,not for reducing traffic pollution,plenty of parks in urban areas for people to run Iain,I have no objections to anybody using the countryside...not sure why you feel the need to push onto people...lots of damage to the environment is down to overuse...What does it say in the FRA statement about protecting the environment....thought the policy was to discourage ��
    So we have millions of people with no respect for the environment...

    Look at NZ? An environmentally aware public.

    We can have your way. Very few have access to the countryside, discourage.. (which it isnt), and then what? keep polluting.. be fat unfit, we pay high taxes?

    We can easily sustain more people in the enviornment and infact probably need to if our rural communities are to have an industry. One thing pisses me off is people in cities on good wages saying there should be no commercial races.

    Look at how much races like Always Aim High bring into Snowdonia? Areas like llanberis and llandudno or Betws have lost the traditional tourism, Adventure tourism is their future. Farming is dying, quarrying is dying. You may ot like it but an increasing income and jobs for the locals comes from the mountain biking, the climbing, the gorges, the kayaking, the zip wires.. the mass participation events.

    If not what will happen?

    Huge areas of the UK left unused? Or would we use them for wind farms? after all if noone is using them who will protest against them being used up for wind farms?

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    I thought the FRA policy was to limit numbers in races rather than actively discourage general running in the fells. There's a huge difference between fifty runners racing a single line and the same number just running where the fancy takes them. The Three Peaks cyclocross race is a case in point: several sections are closed except for the race yet the results of just the one day's use across them can be seen from a couple of kilometres away for the remainder of the year.

    The problem with (some) commercially run activities is that they do tend to make it awkward or even ruin things for the personal or ad-hoc activities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IainR View Post
    If not what will happen?

    Huge areas of the UK left unused? Or would we use them for wind farms? after all if noone is using them who will protest against them being used up for wind farms?
    I think your alternative is a bit stark. We could get these areas populated by home workers and local small businesses. Those who value living away from large towns and cities. And those who want to enjoy the hills.

    This is probably happening already. So it's not an alternative of mining/farming or tourism or unemployment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noel View Post
    I think your alternative is a bit stark. We could get these areas populated by home workers and local small businesses. Those who value living away from large towns and cities. And those who want to enjoy the hills.

    This is probably happening already. So it's not an alternative of mining/farming or tourism or unemployment.
    I don't think it is too much in Wales. The general support for he big events has changed as they are increasingly seen as an importent addition. Tbh though the tris, trail races probably have less of an impact on the fells than fell running, and certainly less than farming which decimated the fells.. The heavy grazing of snowdonia totally changed the ecosystem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IainR View Post
    So we have millions of people with no respect for the environment...

    Look at NZ? An environmentally aware public.

    We can have your way. Very few have access to the countryside, discourage.. (which it isnt), and then what? keep polluting.. be fat unfit, we pay high taxes?

    We can easily sustain more people in the enviornment and infact probably need to if our rural communities are to have an industry. One thing pisses me off is people in cities on good wages saying there should be no commercial races.

    Look at how much races like Always Aim High bring into Snowdonia? Areas like llanberis and llandudno or Betws have lost the traditional tourism, Adventure tourism is their future. Farming is dying, quarrying is dying. You may ot like it but an increasing income and jobs for the locals comes from the mountain biking, the climbing, the gorges, the kayaking, the zip wires.. the mass participation events.

    If not what will happen?

    Huge areas of the UK left unused? Or would we use them for wind farms? after all if noone is using them who will protest against them being used up for wind farms?
    Iain Do you think very few have access to the countryside at the moment ?
    For inner city people to have greater access will involve a greater cost to the environment..plenty of green spaces in city's! Controling some of the dogs and their owners would encourage more people to run.
    Turning the great outdoors into a theme park for the fat and lazy , not a great idea to me .
    Green spaces are already disappearing for the common man ..Golf courses / Grouse Moors ect.
    Climbing has already been destroyed in lots of areas by selfish commercial providers overusing crags making it difficult for other users to access them.
    The erosion on a lot of the routes on these Honeypot Crags has totally destroyed them .
    This has been caused by overuse and innappropiate absailing down actual routes.
    The great outdoorsis there for ALL to enjoy ..let them find it themselves

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    One issue not touched on so far - rewilding. Very pertinent after the floods. If subsidised sheep farming was replaced by trees and other rewinding flooding and associated costs would reduce. As I run across the tops above me later I will run on the bike tracks in Cragg quarry and past the windmills supplying some of our electricity, in addition to our solar panels. The rest of the Moors? Degraded, eroding. The negative effect on my runs against reducing flash floods run off. When this was proposed in the Lakes it was objected to by local MPs in favour of downstream flood prevention, efforts we now know didn't work.

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    watkins and whyte 2008.jpgWhen did the deforrestation of the Lake District occur? This paper notes flood events from the 17th Century. The 2009 and 2015 floods obviously need to be added
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    Not sure when the deforestation occurred - I suspect it was gradual and sporadic.

    I went to school at Backbarrow (for the last term of primary school after my village school closed) and the bridge by what was then the dolly blue mill but is now the Whitewater hotel had flood levels marked on it. The 2009 floods were higher than any of those marked.
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    Not sure were you are coming from here Nick ...am I right in thinking as waell as more people enjoying the outdoors ,you would like to see an end to upland farming ?
    When Winterhill was abandoned /ended one of the reasons given was it was a habitat for ground nesting birds...so how come its been planted up with trees ...and anyway those ground nesters are feeding in the estuary's of rivers at the seaside in Febuary

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