This is going nowhere, there is so much conflicting information out there no matter what type of brexit/remain somebody wants, they can find "evidence" that justifies it.
"Que Será, Será
This is going nowhere, there is so much conflicting information out there no matter what type of brexit/remain somebody wants, they can find "evidence" that justifies it.
"Que Será, Será
And that, Pat, neatly sums up the political impasse we find ourselves in!
Simon Blease
Monmouth
David Cameron has been advising Theresa May on how to give MPs a "greater role" in resolving any future Brexit deadlock, sources have told the BBC.
Should we be even more worried?
Cause tramps like us, baby we were born to run
The solution is simple. The Leave movement argued that we needed to leave the EU so that we could 'bring back control', and to ensure the British Parliament was wholly sovereign again. So let's just do that. Let's let Parliament vote now on the final implications/options of the advisory referendum result. Options currently on the table are: 'no-deal', 'May's deal', 'Stay' (sounds so much nicer than 'remain'). Doing exactly what Leave asked for. Who on earth could complain about that?
Am Yisrael Chai
What makes me cry is the way politicians scurry around scheming of doing everything but what the vote entails. They know full well that the only deal which fulfils the referendum result is leaving on WTO terms. Hey you can have any Brexit you want as long as it's Remain.
There is a solution to the Backstop and that is for the Republic of Ireland to leave the EU and join the UK. If they don't want to then that's fine, a hard line brexiteer prime minister will spell out the consequences to them if the EU sinks.
On the downside the Republic has huge public and private debt which would be a problem as we have enough of our own.
That's an interesting idea, CL. Of course, another solution is for Northern Ireland to leave the UK and join the Republic of Ireland. Recall that Northern Ireland is in the interesting position that the majority of the population voted Remain, while the political party with the most votes supports Leave; which is pretty much the opposite of the situation in England!Originally Posted by CL
In his lifetime he suffered from unreality, as do so many Englishmen.
Jorge Luis Borges
N.I is a case of where tactical voting goes horribly wrong. The unionist coalesce around one party, the DUP, inorder to avoid splitting the unionist vote thereby letting the republicans in. The nationalist do the same and vote sinn fein. So up there it is a case of the Alliance Party, SDLP, the relatively moderate UUP, plus other, minor parties are crowded out and replaced by the nutcase DUP, who belong in another century, and the extreme left-wing sinn fein. You have the crazy situation where the former terrorist are seen as the relativity moderate party.
Stay has already been ruled out.The solution is simple. The Leave movement argued that we needed to leave the EU so that we could 'bring back control', and to ensure the British Parliament was wholly sovereign again. So let's just do that. Let's let Parliament vote now on the final implications/options of the advisory referendum result. Options currently on the table are: 'no-deal', 'May's deal', 'Stay' (sounds so much nicer than 'remain'). Doing exactly what Leave asked for. Who on earth could complain about that?
Any of the so-called Leave options being put forward need to be put to a few tests.
1. do they honour the referendum result and allow the UK to develop it's own independent trade policy, bring back law making to the UK and allow the UK to manage it's own migration policy.
2. is it doable.
Point 2 is quite important as those claiming EEA is the way to go, might not be able to negotiate it. It is a position only Norway holds as a non EU member and it is a status set up for nations anticipating joining, not leaving.
It would also require us joining EFTA first and our application to join EFTA may not be accepted.
Richard Taylor
"William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
Sid Waddell
One very important matter seems to have been overlooked in the current situation.
In the last week or two there has been lots of talk around Mrs May’s deal. Mrs May doesn’t have a deal.
Mrs May has a Withdrawal Agreement (WA) and a Political Declaration (PD).
The WA is a legally binding treaty. The PD is nothing more than good intentions and worth diddly-squat.
FULL focus should be on the WA.
It matters not whether you are a fan of a regular FTA, Canada +, EEA, Norway + …. Or any combination of deals for the future.
If you sign up to the Withdrawal Agreement, choices for the UK will be limited entirely to terms that are acceptable to the EU, regardless of the shape of the Govt in place at the time.
The Withdrawal Agreement must be stopped in anything like it's current form.
Richard Taylor
"William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
Sid Waddell
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