I though they were really bending the rules to do the opposite.Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
I though they were really bending the rules to do the opposite.
There is a border now but an invisible one.
The Dutch customs expert Hans Maessen calls this a "fictitious problem", which of course it is.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46213434
Which part of Switzerland is required to be hived off from the rest and expected to remain in the single market?
Why is that Switzerland (and Norway) can exist outiside the customs union yet we cannot unless we satisfy our EU overlords that we have solved the non-existent problem of the Irish backstop?
Does he now! - " Mr Maessen, who has advised the pro-Brexit ERG"
Maybe you need to try a bit harder, why not have a read of this.
https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...norway-sweden/
‘My advice to the UK when they leave the EU is: Don’t build the border station too small, you need plenty of space.’
That does not sound very invisible.
And this is two countries in the single market, which the UK wants to leave
Last edited by DrPatrickBarry; 15-11-2018 at 02:46 PM.
Presumably the ERG were looking for advice on customs arrangements and decided to ask an expert. Not sure what is sinister about that.
It has to be the right type of expert, what could possibly be wrong with that, Oh wait MMR....
It's actually worse than Brexit in name only. My prediction is that it won't get through Parliament. We will end up with a new referendum where the choice is between this atrocious deal and remaining i.e. no choice at all. I won't bother.
The lesson to be learned is that us plebs need to know our place, the Establishment always wins in the end.
Nope, that is not it.
In the scottish referendum the SNP produced a comprehensive document "Scotland's Future your guide to an independent Scotland" detailing Scotland's future as an independent nation. That document was analyzed to death durning the two year campaign. People on balance decided it did not work for them and voted No.
It is 670 pages
https://www2.gov.scot/resource/0043/00439021.pdf
Where was the document detailing the UK future outside the EU?
People voted on the basis of propaganda and sound bites.
Many people are now realizing that what they voted for is not materializing, in fact it was never on the table, and are angry about it.
Last edited by DrPatrickBarry; 15-11-2018 at 03:25 PM.
He is the ex president of the Dutch customs association. He is also an advisor to Go EU Commerce. I imagine he may know what he is talking about.
Too right they're angry - they have been betrayed. It's not failed because an SNP type document hasn't been produced. It's failed because the people charged with carrying out are remainers so they never believed in Brexit. They saw it as an exercise in damage limitation not an opportunity. They have failed to use the UK's strong negotiating cards, the £40 billion exit bill, the fact that the EU has a large trade surplus with the UK and also our important contribution to European security. Worst of all is Phillip Hammond's criminal refusal to plan for no-deal. How can you take part in a negotiation without being prepared to walk away?
I admit this is partly the fault of some of the Brexiteers who could have taken the reins just after the referendum (i.e. Michael Gove stabbing Boris in the back).
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