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    Witton Park; It's rubbish, any "special arrangement" would be the backstop in everything but name and the DUP would never accept it.
    In summary.
    Mays' deal - No border.
    Norway type deal - No border
    No Brexit - No border.
    Crash out - Border.
    Deal without the backstop - Border.
    So if the EU and Varadkar backdown then we end up with a border and all the social and security turmoil that will ential.
    Last edited by DrPatrickBarry; 25-03-2019 at 02:54 PM.

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    Meanwhile away from oversimplistic EU soundbites endlessly copied by remainers such as the quoted below......

    EU are DELIBERATELY fomenting unrest in northern ireland by alienating unionists with a border within their own country down the irish channel. It is not just the IRA that used bombs. The only EU alternative which is insistence on a wall will alienate republicans, and no doubt wake up IRA. EU will force Varadkar to build it. so either way EU are fomenting trouble in northern ireland.

    Northern ireland has few deepwater ports and airports so it is entirely possible to cope with technology as both david davies reported (a job he did before brexit vote)indeed EU reports have also considered. So allowing for the fact that no border is perfect, technology will do fine. So we will not build a border. The EU will, so blame them. Technology is the right solution. And will improve with time - but it does not suit the EU to admit it. How I hate ideologues.

    The EU have deliberately weaponised the border to try to annexe northern ireland. Remainers are too illformed to se it. The deal is not a deal. it is promises of talks costing 39 billion with UK deliberstely hamstrung. Even the most starry eyed remainer must now see These are not our friends, so no deal is the only option. This is not "Mays" deal it is EU non deal, they refuse to negotiate on trade so why waste more time on them?.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry View Post
    Witton Park; It's rubbish, any "special arrangement" would be the backstop in everything but name and the DUP would never accept it.
    In summary.
    Mays' deal - No border.
    Norway type deal - No border
    No Brexit - No border.
    Crash out - Border.
    Deal without the backstop - Border.
    So if the EU and Varadkar backdown then we end up with a border and all the social and security turmoil that will ential.
    Last edited by Oracle; 25-03-2019 at 05:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
    Remainers are too lillformed to see it.
    Do you mean lillyformed? In which case, thank you, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
    You can't blame the Euro for intra EU migration. It has had an effect, but with freedom of movement and differing levels of economic activity people will move to better themselves, just like they move within the UK.
    The Euro is one of the factors, not the factor.
    Yes I certainly can blame the Euro. It is why southern states can never recover, so have an air of hoplessness. And it will get worse as the eurozone falls apart. I think we head for catastrophe in the wake of EU elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry View Post
    Witton Park; It's rubbish, any "special arrangement" would be the backstop in everything but name and the DUP would never accept it.
    In summary.
    Mays' deal - No border.
    Norway type deal - No border
    No Brexit - No border.
    Crash out - Border.
    Deal without the backstop - Border.
    So if the EU and Varadkar backdown then we end up with a border and all the social and security turmoil that will ential.
    I think that article has exposed the backstop for the total contrived nonsense it is. Can’t say I’m surprised. I’ve said it to you all along. It’s a way of trying to prevent the UK of exercising it’s full independence and making a success of Brexit. If not perhaps you can explain why Macron said that the UK would only be allowed out of the backstop if it allowed its waters to EU fishermen. Surely the backstop is only about avoiding a hard border in Ireland, no?
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    So to paraphrase, what you're saying is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EH1G4EwljM

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    Quote Originally Posted by noel View Post
    Do you mean lillyformed? In which case, thank you, I think.
    Quite possibly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noel View Post
    Having now had a chance to look briefly into Oracle's sources, it strikes me that the alleged economic woes of some southern European nations and the indisputably high youth unemployment rates are not claimed by those economists to be an inherent failing of the Euro; more a failing of interventionist central banks.
    One of the problems of the euro is that the members don’t have their own independent central bank. They aren’t able to adopt monetary policies that are right for their countries at any point in time. So for example after the financial crisis the UK slashed its interest rates and introduced QE much more quickly than the eurozone did. Eventually the eurozone did the same but initially the ECB bizarrely increased rates because of German concerns about inflation. What’s right for the German economy is totally different to the Greek or Italian economy. A one size fits all policy doesn’t work.
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    Government in turmoil, minority banging a drum, no leadership and relegation looming.

    In football terms the song would be "Sack the board"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever View Post
    One of the problems of the euro is that the members don’t have their own independent central bank. They aren’t able to adopt monetary policies that are right for their countries at any point in time. So for example after the financial crisis the UK slashed its interest rates and introduced QE much more quickly than the eurozone did. Eventually the eurozone did the same but initially the ECB bizarrely increased rates because of German concerns about inflation. What’s right for the German economy is totally different to the Greek or Italian economy. A one size fits all policy doesn’t work.
    You mean a bit like the economy of Utah not being the same as New York City’s, or Shanghai’s economy not being the same as Inner Mongolia’s, or Hartlepool’s economy not being the same as Hackney’s? 🤔

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