Are we out yet.
Can't we just say thanks a lot and see you later?
Are we out yet.
Can't we just say thanks a lot and see you later?
No, it’s called democracy - we can’t just leave the Brexit situation. People voted for us to go that way
Nah, this will rumble on for years and years yet regardless of what the end relationship ends up being. And there will be one. It also looks like some are trying to start can kicking already.
And that’s before any internal political consequences from a changed economic and political landscapes. You need to settle in for the long run on this one, the pro EU mob aren’t going away, although they may end up being laughed at like the early UKIP days, which worked out well. So we’ll be more divided than we have for a long time as well.
A year or two of even mild recession will prolong the squabbling even further.
We can’t ignore the EU, something has to be decided. Whether that leaves us richer or poorer (not just in terms of money), and over what time frame we have yet to see. Looking like a shit show at the minute. But then we never voted on what leave actually means beyond just leave.
Hopefully May will play another strategic blinder like the last election which left her strong and..... ��
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So what do people think of Teresa May's plan?
As a remainer and from my initial understanding of it, I think it's good that we're not leaving the free trade area, good that we are leaving the CAP, but bad that we're ending free movement. But then I concede that free movement of people was a large part of what people voted against, so it's reasonable that this should end on some level. I've yet to hear the details regarding ongoing payments for access to the free trade area, and how bound we are to the rules associated with this (and what if any veto we get over those rules).
The DUP look like the have been sucessfull in destroying any chance of the UK entering this new world of free trade deals.
Not that it matters, as it looks like it is dead in the water.
Some of the Brexiteers among you may be blaming the Irish goverment for this situation, but you must understand how integrated social and business life is between The Republic and N.I.
There are 208 crossing points between the two, which is more crossing points than down the whole eastern border of the EU.
The route of the border is nonsensical , it is a result of gerrymandering to maximise the Protestant population in N.I.
The last line is crucial.
"There were just 20 border crossings open during the Troubles, but today hundreds of border roads blocked during the years of conflict are now back in use."
The Irish Goverment and local border communties just will not accept going back to the past. The vote in N.I was split with the NE area (around Belfast) voting leave, while the rest voted remain.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/north...ublic-1361129/
The Irish Goverment, Tony Blair and John Major were warning about this during the campaign but nobody was listening.
Last edited by DrPatrickBarry; 15-11-2018 at 02:26 PM.
Indeed but the bigger problem was that the Brexiteers never even started thinking. Did people really believe the UK could just say: "Well thanks for having us, but bye-bye now and while we in the UK will now do whatever we want we do hope we can all stay friends"?Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
"...as dry as the Atacama desert".
I for one certainly am. It has been the willing accomplice in the EU's attempt tie the UK into obeying its regulations and prevent it from signing trade agreements with other countries. The whole hard border issue is a complete red herring and Theresa May was completely incompetent in being duped into agreeing to the Irish backstop last December. The UK, Irish Government, and EU have all said that they don't want a hard border so if nobody builds it there won't be one.
Interesting article from the Labour MP Kate Hoey.
https://labourlist.org/2018/11/kate-...nts-hypocrisy/
As she says:
"It is conveniently forgotten that those barriers were only there when the IRA was active, bombing and killing our soldiers and police officers. A border is there at the moment, although not visible. The Irish Republic has different excise duties, VAT rates and currency to the UK. Yet all those differences are handled remotely by technology and pre-paperwork. If intelligence arouses suspicion about smuggling, the vehicle will be stopped. In other words, with good will and cooperation, there is no need for any new structures."
Her comments with regard to Voisinage fishing agreement also demonstrate how dishonourably the Irish Government is acting.
I wonder how popular Leo Varadkar will be with the Irish public if his actions lead to no deal, where Ireland will be affected almost as much as the UK.
Last edited by Muddy Retriever; 15-11-2018 at 04:31 PM.
Let's turn that on its head. Why should the fact that we are leaving the EU mean that we have to be treated as an enemy? Why cannot relations be cordial in the same way as they are between the EU and Switzerland, which is not in the EU?
The truth is that the EU is terrified that Britain will be successful outside the EU and that other countries will want to follow. But if being a member of the EU is so great then why should they need to treat us more harshly than other non-EU European countries? Surely the benefits of membership should be self evident.
You make it sound like the EU thought this "border issue" up and got the Irish Goverment on board. It was very much the Irish Goverment that have been screeming about this ever since the referendum was called.
Security borders and trade borders are not the same thing. During "The Troubles" the border was manned to stop the IRA, etc, launching attacks from safe areas on the other side of the border.
There has NEVER been a trade border on the island of Ireland.
Both EU and WTO rules stiplulate that there HAS to be one.
No matter what deal is finally done, if any, Ireland will be the looser. Do you know that Ireland is the UK's 5th biggest trading partner, and the UK has a trade surpulus with Ireland.
Last edited by DrPatrickBarry; 15-11-2018 at 02:28 PM.
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