Brexit

[Graham Breeze]

Bullying? Tory? Hardly. Momentum and militant own the intimidation franchise.
I dislike her, and May is too much an administrator not a leader, but she is the only MP that comes away from this with integrity intact.
Corbyn has proven to even doubters he is the most disingenuous and unprincipled MP in the house. He will say or do anything for power. Which is why he is the most unpopular leader in history, not that his sycophants care.

The behaviour of MPs, the speaker, lords and labour are a constitutional disgrace.

(Slightly surprised but) I agree with most of that. Corbyn is beneath contempt, May is a Saint and many in the Labour Party still regard Scargill as a hero of the working classes with a pick handle.

May's tragedy is that no-one else (who might have been better at it) came forward to lead the country out of the EU over their personal preference (Johnson is a self-serving, spineless, narcissistic, light- weight, hypocritical, preening prat). It is tough enough leading an organisation knowing the buck stops with you when you truly believe in what you are doing but after that shaky referendum result? How many sleepless nights does that produce?

Still: if you wish to be Joan of Arc you must be prepared to burn.

[Mossdog]

Corbyn has proven to even doubters he is the most disingenuous and unprincipled MP in the house.

No, that award goes to Boris the Blustering Burk or perhaps her erstwhile Leave-Leader Chummy, Greasy Gove.

[Stolly]

Haha I wish there was a like button on this forum mossdog 👍

And a dislike button come to that 🤔

[Graham Breeze]

Haha I wish there was a like button on this forum mossdog ��

And a dislike button come to that ��

Well for many years Michael Gove was a journalist (The Times) and so I suppose the lack of any integrity made him a shoe-in to be a politician.

[DrPatrickBarry]

No, that award goes to Boris the Blustering Burk or perhaps her erstwhile Leave-Leader Chummy, Greasy Gove.

Just because that is all true; it does not mean that what Oracle said about Corbyn was not true. Corbyn has finally seen the light that the way to power is not via his LEXIT socialist utopia but to minimize the damage from that tantrum nearly three years ago.

[Llani Boy]

Yanis Varoufakis on Question Time tonight. He, no doubt, will have some interesting things to stay.

[DrPatrickBarry]

Yanis Varoufakis on Question Time tonight. He, no doubt, will have some interesting things to stay.

Yes he is very good at blaming other people.

[Oracle]

No, that award goes to Boris the Blustering Burk or perhaps her erstwhile Leave-Leader Chummy, Greasy Gove.

Hardly. Boris has stuck to the same opinion of a bright future as a nation state independent of EU. ERG are the only group in the commons keeping to the manifesto commitments. Love him or hate him, what you see is what you get. I have spoken to him at some length in the past. He is far more of a thinking man than the media like to portray.

Where Comrade Corbyn spins like a top: he didnt campaign for brexit, wanting to see how the wind blows first. He created a meaningless impossible fudge as a tripwire for the government so he could be seen as both remainer and leaver in his own party, and so he could claim the government failed whatever the outcome. He has abused brexit and the good of the nation for attempted petty political advantage He sits with IRA and Hamas but not the UK prime minister or Chuka Umanna. He allowed an impossible trillion pound lie to be promoted as an election manifesto. He allows his militant thugs in momentum to intimidate his MPs to enforce discipline. The man was , is and always has been a disgrace, and he is rightly the most unpopular leader ever.

[Oracle]

Yes he is very good at blaming other people.

I dislike his politics, but he was spot on in telling Theresa May all the traps the EU would use on negotiation before it even startted, which script they followed to the letter. Corbynistas should also note, he said the UK does not have austerity in any sense that such as Greece or southern Italy does.

It took the IMF two years, and many economists in the EU just as long, to admit Varoufakis was right about the abject failure of EU policy over greece bailouts and future. The EU are making the same mistakes with italy.
His books are interesting. Read them.

[Oracle]

(Slightly surprised but) I agree with most of that. Corbyn is beneath contempt, May is a Saint and many in the Labour Party still regard Scargill as a hero of the working classes with a pick handle.

May's tragedy is that no-one else (who might have been better at it) came forward to lead the country out of the EU over their personal preference (Johnson is a self-serving, spineless, narcissistic, light- weight, hypocritical, preening prat). It is tough enough leading an organisation knowing the buck stops with you when you truly believe in what you are doing but after that shaky referendum result? How many sleepless nights does that produce?

Still: if you wish to be Joan of Arc you must be prepared to burn.

May has had the hardest job of any peace time PM. It is not her deal that failed, it is an EU deal that failed to address any of the concerns of the UK whilst demanding unnaceptable conditions.

I don't agree about Johnston. His position has remained remarkably consistent and is also following the manifesto on which the party gained power. Most of the MPs seem to think their personal opinions trump their mandate.

I would say Davies is the best leader the party will never have. He commands respect both sides of the house, and would not have bottled the confrontations over the negotiation sequence which in essence is the cause of the problem.

Barnier programmed the failure of talks, promising the 27 an outcome we would never accept. He is the one that should resign. He is still stating after no deal brexit we must pay 40 billion and accept the backstop even to enter trade talks.