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    Chris, sorry I donít listen to Farage FM. Any other policies please? Maybe things he would do, rather than things he wouldnít?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CL View Post
    But Farage does have policies and he has said so just a few days ago on his radio show. He said that the policies would be the same as when he was in charge of UKIP. That's consistency for you. For instance no foreign aid is a great policy UKIP held to. You won't get that with Labour or the Tories I.e. sticking to a principle. Simples!
    Foreign aid, the international transfer of capital, goods, or services from a country or international organization for the benefit of the recipient country or its population. Aid can be economic, military, or emergency humanitarian (e.g., aid given following natural disasters).

    Yep letís all live in a country that doesnít give a toss about anyone else, Farage needs to go and boil his head, heís a prat

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    Question: are there any data on how much tax immigrants pay on average?

    Oracles seems to be suggesting they are a net drain on the system. Is this true?

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    No, and not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noel View Post
    Question: are there any data on how much tax immigrants pay on average?

    Oracles seems to be suggesting they are a net drain on the system. Is this true?
    You seem to be obsessed with immigrants Noel.

    Most Brexiteers don't have a problem with immigrants but only the control of immigration. What's wrong with that?
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    No I did not. I Suggest you comment on what I did say instead.

    I said in the craponomics of the EU , in the countries that Brussels and Berlin have decided to abandon, youngsters pay a bigger proportion of a much smaller wage in tax. They are clearly better off here in their eyes. E.g. Greece Portugal min wage iscless than half of ours, and even that is hit by over 20 percent tax, forced by the rules of Euro budget that prevent them getting out of the straightjacket. The countries have no real choice. The tax rates guarantee a big black market,and a mass exodus and a big inhibition to foreign investment. Professionals head to the richer economies so accentuating the disaster.

    The migration problem is caused by terminal dysfunction of the currency union.

    Apart from which, only leftloonies think contribution to an economy is defined by tax extorted from people, to be used inefficiently in the public sector. Where contribution is also economic activity in increasing both output and demand, the amount and speed of money flowing in the economy. Successful economies like Singapore don't drag activity down with silly tax rates. It is my belief economies would work better if corporation tax was abolished completely, not least because it taxes an illusion which is why it is hard to define. Up the dividend tax to compensate.

    Put the right number in a rowing boat and get them all to pull in coordinated fashion and the rowing boat goes faster. Put more in and efficiency suffers, more still and it actually sinks.



    Quote Originally Posted by noel View Post
    Question: are there any data on how much tax immigrants pay on average?

    Oracles seems to be suggesting they are a net drain on the system. Is this true?
    Last edited by Oracle; 17-04-2019 at 12:00 AM.

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    http://www.institutmolinari.org/IMG/...en-eu-2018.pdf

    Some interesting points on tax. Simple google searches show the rates etc. Unsure on average wages in these countries but many will probably be lower than UK. Quite a few do have tax free allowances, UK tax does not seem bad in comparison to many. Was surprised at France and Germany being so high tax wise!!

    https://tradingeconomics.com/italy/y...mployment-rate
    Italian youth unemployment rate, too high but in this thread or Brexit it stated a figure of nearly 50%

    https://tradingeconomics.com/about-te.aspx Website address saying 'about us'. I can't take Wikipedia at face value with the number of errors in many pages, hence ignoring that particular site.

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    Ian.

    First point, the comparison I make is no and low tax thresholds.
    Germany like us has low tax for low earners. That is not so in the southern states which they tax even low paid substantially, despite earning far less than us.
    Euro rules demand it. Which is also why black market thrives, and also the reason for exodus. The more that leave, the more upward pressure it puts on tax for those that remain in the Brussels demanded balancing of books.

    France is socialist heaven on tax, and employment law and is also why it suffers.
    Macron wants to modernise. Unions won't let him. E.g. The trains are the the least efficient in EU , also the most heavily unionised. The two follow as night and day.
    Corbyn plans to bring Britain to a halt in a similar way.

    Beware comparisons on headline corporation rates of tax.
    German corporation tax is simply not comparable with ours. Chalk and cheese.

    The headline rate includes local tax , which is only paid in profitable businesses.
    The critical issue is they pay almost no business rates.

    Our own business rates are massive,a big proportion of tax for many businesses massively distorting the comparison. With Corporation tax on top.
    Business rates are regressive. So paid whether profitable or not, so effectively taxing a loss. So You cannot compare our corporation tax with theirs. Period. Much as corbyn likes to mislead.
    The regressive nature is bad for startup or struggling business, and the size of rates a direct impact on retail. It is why our high streets have relatively few EU shopping chains.

    Finally. Will people ever do me the courtesy of READING.
    Italy is almost two countries, I said 50 percent in the south: the Mezzogiorno and such as Naples, which are the people left behind. It has been getting worse not better. The situation is dire.
    And the angry young adults become the populist votes.


    Quote Originally Posted by biaraV2 View Post
    http://www.institutmolinari.org/IMG/...en-eu-2018.pdf

    Some interesting points on tax. Simple google searches show the rates etc. Unsure on average wages in these countries but many will probably be lower than UK. Quite a few do have tax free allowances, UK tax does not seem bad in comparison to many. Was surprised at France and Germany being so high tax wise!!

    https://tradingeconomics.com/italy/y...mployment-rate
    Italian youth unemployment rate, too high but in this thread or Brexit it stated a figure of nearly 50%

    https://tradingeconomics.com/about-te.aspx Website address saying 'about us'. I can't take Wikipedia at face value with the number of errors in many pages, hence ignoring that particular site.
    Last edited by Oracle; 17-04-2019 at 07:38 AM.

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    Try posting something different Oracle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derby Tup View Post
    Try posting something different Oracle
    Noel contested an opinion he attributed to me, that I neither hold nor agree with on migrant contribution. I contested,
    Biara directly challenged a number of mine 50 percent. I justified.

    ian raised the comparison of tax, That is a different subject pertinent to Brexit. I explained corporation tax differences that mean headline rates across EU are not comprable. Just keeping the debate honest.

    But you are right Tup in one way: most have closed minds on Brexit one way or t'other. And seem to have no or little interest in facts that disagree.

    So it is rather pointless trying to debate it.
    Trouble is we are about to have Brexit hijacked by remainers because of completely false arguments. Which is not good.
    Last edited by Oracle; 17-04-2019 at 08:01 AM.

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