I have been sectioned.

[Oracle]

There is a day time program "night mare landlords, tenants from hell" which might give an education.

But rent rise control is not the same as abolishing section 21.

What the rises actually show is the abject failure of migration policies putting far too much pressure on accomodation in cities such as London and Dublin. If we had not had a 10% percent population increase in Britain , most of whom seemingly want to reside in the capital, (or indeed the stupidity of central bank monetary policies creating cheap money to fuel these bubbles) then the pressure on accomodation and price rises would not happen. As we speak a bubble is building Germany and about to collapse in australia and china.

All the policies are interconnected.
Inter EU migration DOES NOT WORK is at the root of this - they need to make their own countries attractive by getting rid of the euro. Incidentally the dutch rival party running Rutte neck and neck propose a referendum on just that!

Using section 21 abolition is like dropping a ten ton weight on a car. Sure it will stop the car. Permanently. It is not a solution aimed at the right problem of slowing the car.. It would be better to look at improving brakes instead. ie solve the actual problem, not the symptoms of the problem. Better sill reduce the 300000 coming here each year adding the extra demand.


That is the falasy behind Corbyns complaints about both rent increases and "build bridges not walls" so not curbing migration. He can have one not both. He lives in a unicorn utopia in which everone can have everything with no negative consequence. And sadly people believe him. But he lives in a fools paradise. Putting too many in a lifeboat sinks it. The way to reduce prices is increase supply or since that is impossible in London reduce demand. The migrants.

I am not a landlord and know next-to-nothing about the law in this area so I can't get too involved in this thread. All I can say is what I hear on the Irish Radio. Dublin has a cronic accomdation problem. Ireland also has a law stopping unreasonable rent rises. So if a landlord thinks he can make more from a property than the current long-stay tenant is paying, he comes up with a reason to terminate the tenancy so he can re-let it the next day at much higher rent.

That is nice for the landlord, not so nice for the tenant. You also have the issues of tenants are afraid to upset the landlord by making very reasonable complaints in case the same thing happens.

And yes I know the opposite happens, where a landlord struggles to get rid of a tenant from hell. A good friend mine has a very stressful and expensive few months because of that.

[DrPatrickBarry]

But what if a landlord has found themselves in a financial fix? Maybe their mortgage rate has changed, insurance gone up.... or maybe they have just fallen on hard times as they have lost their job or suffered an income drop.
Shouldn't they be allowed to sell the property with vacant possession

As I said I don't know the law, but is selling the property not a legal valid reason to terminate?

[noel]

But there is where I disagree. I think your experience is representative of landlords and tenants.

Yes, that's a fair point.

How is it done in the rest of Europe where renting is more commonplace? Am I right in thinking the UK is different in the way it views renting?

There are people calling for a return to council houses - saying the private sector hasn't adequately met the needs of low-paid people who want stability in their lives. I'm not saying I support this - I really don't know enough on the subject.

[DrPatrickBarry]

How is it done in the rest of Europe where renting is more commonplace?

Is there a lot more "state managed" renting through local authorities,etc in other countries?

[Oracle]

Is there a lot more "state managed" renting through local authorities,etc in other countries?

Countries are different.
Portugal has far higher ownership and handing down through families.

Germany has far more renters esentially private.
Although they have started to complain rent rises in cities caused by the same phenomena, called migration and cheap money. A property bubble caused by the dysfunctionality of the euro.

Sooner or later the notoriously thick socialist authorities and commenterariat will realise the rent rises are because of migrant populations (both internal and external) hitting demand. Combine that with "controlling inflation" AKA destroying savings and equity return, forcing people to property to get any return.

Countries in which the demand is low, due to migration away (which is also a regional problem, take the migration from rural to urban spain for jobs: have no problem with rent rises, indeed too much property empty.

Politicians should address the right problem. Making people content where they are. Making setting up companies as beneficial in the sticks as it is in cities. Making staying in south italy as fruitful as living in the over populated UK.

Also ridding us of the blight of central bank policy, inflicted on us by that idiot Brown in this country in 1997 who then starts spending the illusory money his bubble creates, so we have the deficit we have now. And he milked it all the way to the crash, his spending still remains, but not his illusory income to pay for it. So we have an eyewatering debt.-

But they wont. Usual stick against landlords attacking the wrong problem. MPs are thick and populist. They love to have bogey men to attack. Blaim da fat cat shareholders and companies. Blame da fat cat landlords. Even though these are the people who also pay the eyewatering tax bills that pay for everything else and create all the jobs.

[noel]

Politicians should address the right problem. Making people content where they are. Making setting up companies as beneficial in the sticks as it is in cities. Making staying in south italy as fruitful as living in the over populated UK.

Careful now citizen Oracle. State-controlled interventionist policies to suppress the excesses of the free market? Corbyn would be proud of you.

[Stagger]

As I said I don't know the law, but is selling the property not a legal valid reason to terminate?

Capital Gains Tax

Better to keep the property, with a good tenant. Had the same lad for over 10yr and still only charge him £300/month

[Stagger]

Reliability over profit is the way forward.

[Oracle]

Careful now citizen Oracle. State-controlled interventionist policies to suppress the excesses of the free market? Corbyn would be proud of you.

Where do you get that idea? I am a free marketeer.

However the idea of stopping mass migration overcrowding the sinking rowing boat so we allow no more migrants than we can build for? Now where did I get that idea? From the brexit party? Or just because every other free country outside the EU already does it! Ask australia!

Or the idea of removing the euro responsible for the mass migrations allowing exchange rates to curb German exploitation of EU markets. EU should never have done it knowing it has always failed. And should unwind it before it unwinds itself. It will cost a fortune to unwind. Even more to let it.

Or the idea of making the internet and other infrastructure so good in the sticks nobody wants to commute? That is real infrastructure, not HS2 to allow MPs to get home quicker from a place they should never go. Or moving ALL governmental facilities out of London: yes minister thought of it (and humphrey rejected it ) 25 years ago. Covent garden had something to do with it.

Why is it we pay 600 idiots to appear (occasionally) in the houses of parliament when they could do it more effectively by vidoe conference like businesses do. And for all the good they do. THey might as well stay at home and not video conference. All the supporting cast of 100000 can move out of london too. Most of the quangos and semi public bodies have no justification to be there. Why is it the travelling circus of brussels moves to strasbourg on the graby train?

Or differential rates to make businesses that demand to work 9-5 pay a lot more in rates, and those who are willing to do 6-2 pay less or get a refund. So massively reducing congestion and making it easier to travel.

But mostly getting rid of the silliness of the heroin of cheap money that goverments are obsessed with, and now addicted to. So people like me are not forced into property to get ANY return on money.

Where in there is state intervention?

[Witton Park]

The problem isn't with landlords generally. It is with Government policy and we do have a housing problem.

We didn't have a big problem with housebuilding for years.

Back in the 60s and 70s we had 300,000 a year being built, enough to cope with the increase in population.

But since we had that 2nd increase in population in the early 00's the house building rate has only averaged around 150,000 a year.

Bear in mind though that this is actual houses built. Some houses come out of service and there is also change of use.

One thing to consider is the huge increase in the student population since the 90s.

If you live in an old Uni town/City you will know that rentals are heavily geared towards the student population, where you can put 5-6 students in a converted large terrace and pick up almost £2000 a month in rent.

Well since the late 90s, that has now come to almost every town in the country. In Blackburn now we have several thousand students coming to town. It used to be just locals going to the old college. That has further increased the pressure on local housing, especially the lower end of the sector.

And our Blackburn Uni doesn't have any dedicated student halls, so it is all taken up by the regular housing stock.