I see Teresa May has announced the date she'll leave, and that Boris Johnson is the bookies' favourite. He's certainly very different in most ways.
Normally in these situations someone comes from left-field and the 'favourite' doesn't get it. What do people think?
I can't see someone from leftfield this time.
They need a big personality to take on Farage on one hand and Corbyn on the other.
A manager will not suffice.
They have 315 seats following the departure of 3 TIGs.
As things stand they would lose half of them.
That will focus their mind.
Richard Taylor
"William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
Sid Waddell
BoJo will get it.
Shame there's no precedent for narcissistic deluded fools with a mad barnet running a G7 nation.....
Pete Shakespeare - U/A
Going downhill fast
Whoever wins will have the same parliamentary deadlock on Brexit to contend with so there will have to be a general election to break the impasse. But even that may not do it. For the Tories to have any chance of luring their voters back from Farage and winning, it will have to be a Brexiteer and probably Boris.
I'm not so sure Muddy.Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
Theresa May wasn't voted for as party leader and then she lost the majority and that gave a dozen or so remainers (3 have left) scope for mischief.
A new leader will carry the weight of the MPs and party if a leaver like BoJo and it will be harder for the dozen or so waverers to cause trouble, or they can be dealt with in a way that May wouldn't or couldn't deal with them.
For example, withdraw the whip from Grieve if he doesn't play ball and see how the others react.
Richard Taylor
"William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
Sid Waddell
You are living in a dream world, to anti-brexiteers, the well being of the country is more important than what the tory whip can do to them. BoJo will find himeself in the exact same situation as the MayBot. Does he have the balls to go for a "no deal" brexit, and if so how does he get it through parliment?
An election will not help him as a Labour/SNP could be a likely goverment.
Last edited by DrPatrickBarry; 24-05-2019 at 01:24 PM.
Pat - they were all onside until the General Election. Go back to all the clips and articles and Soubry, Allen, Grieve.... all telling us how they couldn't countenance a rerun of the referendum, the result had to be respected....
You are living in a dream world if you think that a leader not elected by the membership, who lost a majority at a badly judged GE, who lost a 20% (at times) poll lead, who lost minister after minister whether leave or Remain.... had any chance or holding the party and Govt together.
The new leader will have much more pull in the party.
It will never chance Ken Clarke, but it will make a difference. We have to see what that difference is.
Richard Taylor
"William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
Sid Waddell
He doesn't have to.is No deal Brexit happens by default , and cooper boles is no longer effective.
There is little time even for a vote of no confidence to act to preventing. Our MPs and remain hijackers are just stupid enough to want to prolong the non existent state farce however.
A general election solves nothing. Labour do not have a brexit policy, just a duplicitous illusion and even the illusion is not brexit. It is remain dressed up. You cannot be in the customs union and out of EU control. It is a contradiction in terms..
The obvious fact is that as this stands we leave without a deal, and the Cooper Boles amendment hijacking of democracy can no longer be used with or without the speakers attempts to frustrate brexit.
There are no obvious routes for parliament to prevent no deal. That is Boris' Strength. He really can play EU at its own silly games demanding change with a proper "or else" that should have been there from day 1
Perhaps there can be an agreement instead of EU silly draft. Which they wrongly call an agreement, it is agreed by nobody but them, and it is just an offer of talks for a massive some of money. It even fails to meet article 50
As for the caricatures of Boris they are a media creation.He is everything May is not. He is a good delegator and leader, which is why he was Londons most successful mayor, with the highest popularity rating. He has charisma. I have spent some time talking to him at Institute of Directors: he is a thnking man.
May failed because she was an administrator, not a leader. A micro manager and failed to give minsiters any authority. Boris would appoint the right people to get the job done and let them do it. .
Last edited by Oracle; 24-05-2019 at 06:14 PM.
Perhaps you’re right and I hope you are. But that’s what they said last time. I remain to be convinced that there isn’t some obscure arcane parliamentary way to overrule the executive. If a proper Brexiteer becomes leader we will probably find out.
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