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[Dave_Mole]

"fascist" "racist" and "nazi syumpathiser" are disgraceful slurs

you should know. Here's a re-post of the re-post.

You directly campared the EU to Nazi Germany, were caught out denying you did, and have now settled on "fascist" as you seem to think it's more acceptable. I'm just waiting for you to trot out the other favourite hard-right trope that Hitler was a scocialist.

The EU continues to behave as a fascist dictatorship

Fascist is a word far better applied of an undemocratic authoritarian EU

It could get you in serious trouble.

I suggest you hold your tongue

intolerant of dissent, are we?

[Oracle]

I have consistently argued that none of us should use the words "racist" "fascist" or "nazi sympathiser" of each other as people. Please? Insults never help.
Those are particularly offensive I hope we can agree on it.


So change of subject. For those who think Labour will walk a GE - the problem of Corbyns duplicitous message has finally come to haunt him. Like May he has forces that are impossible to reconcile, and they are no longer willing to stay silent.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...john-mcdonnell

But the difference between labour and Tory, is Tory at least has a substantial majority for leave.

Labour is screwed. Most of the members are remain. Most of the consituencies are leave. The leavers are adamant on no new referendum. And the leader has no opinion he will not bend for the sake of popularity, so now he is unpopular with both the warring factions.

It is my view that the labour leavers will vote brexit not labour, given the choice at a GE if labour come out for remain. Meanwhile the remainers do not trust them, so are voting lib dems. Corbyn will lose out to both.



Karma. Serves him right.

It seems to me if the hard left cabal had not taken over labour, they would have walked it by now, with sensible middle of the road policies. But now the left is so ingrained, the moderates cannot shift them.

you should know. Here's a re-post of the re-post.

You directly campared the EU to Nazi Germany, were caught out denying you did, and have now settled on "fascist" as you seem to think it's more acceptable. I'm just waiting for you to trot out the other favourite hard-right trope that Hitler was a scocialist.








intolerant of dissent, are we?

[DrPatrickBarry]

For those who think Labour will walk a GE

Almost the very first thing you said is wrong. Does anybody in the country actually think that?

I am almost as appaled by a Corybn lead goverment as a Johnson led goverment.

[Dave_Mole]

I have consistently argued that none of us should use the words "racist" "fascist"

I've said it before and I'll say it again: you're a liar.
Don't think changing the subject is going to help.

On 13-03-2019 at 10:49 AM: you likened the EU to Nazi Germany, have called it the Fourth Reich and a “fanatical organisation”

Here's you again:

The EU continues to behave as a fascist dictatorship

and

Fascist is a word far better applied of an undemocratic authoritarian EU that refuses to even negotiate

So, if that's "consistently argued that none of us should use the words "racist" "fascist"", I'd love to see you being inconsistent.

You've been caught and you don't like it, so threaten people instead, before trying to rewrite what was actually said. You've consistently defended your use of the word fascist to describe the EU, as your post immediately above this one demonstrates:

I call organisations fascist on the basis of their dictionary definition

[Stolly]

Well done Dave Mole for even bothering to read any of the long winded mumbo jumbo that the oracle posts at all 😊

[DrPatrickBarry]

Well done Dave Mole

I think most of us have long since given up. I have to admire his tenacious.

[Oracle]

Were you a student of history you would know that the second reich was most certainly not antisemitic. The 1648 consitution said: "From religious beliefs the enjoyment of civil rights and rights resulting from nationality neither depend nor will they be limited by it"

So the insistence you have that "reich" or "fourth reich" carries association with "Nazi" - and all those dreadful implications of antisemitism, homophobia are not automatic as you presume from limited study of history.

The idea of fascist empire building does not carry that connotation. You insisted it there.

But europe does love its empires, that always end in tears. It is that that I dislike. Not least when they try a guaranteed failure like the euro as part of the process to conquer and gain central power by stealth. ALL the economists told them it would fail "unless" as currency unions always had. But they did it anyway ignoring the "unless". I even quoted the architect of the ECB rules and so Euro. He is certain it will collapse, becuase of the way they did it. Or do you think you know better than him?

I do accuse the EU of a neo fascist empire that puts its perpetuation, the relentless power grab and dogma ahead of the wellbeing of its own citizens, which will lead to its own destruction. It is more interested in harm to britain than it is in success for itself in the EU non negotiations. A sure sign of ideology over sense.

It is also clearl you fail to understand the difference between personal insult of the worst kind of libel "racist" "nazi sympathiser" and so on, against the argument for an organization. You now add "liar" to the list.
I suggest you learn the difference before it gets you in trouble.

Corbynistas seemingly are told what to think, which is why you have no balance in comment on ireland either. You trot out the soundbite about DUP, because momentum central spreads such imbalance. You ignorethe shameful inclusion of an ex leader of IRA in stormont, and the even more shameful lauding of him by Corbyn and Mcdonnel. If your insults to those who disagree are corbyns "kinder gentler politics". It sucks. But then the militant left have always sucked.


Since you insist on insults, thereby ends our discussion. You lost the nine lives.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: you're a liar.
Don't think changing the subject is going to help.

On 13-03-2019 at 10:49 AM: you likened the EU to Nazi Germany, have called it the Fourth Reich and a “fanatical organisation”

Here's you again:


and


So, if that's "consistently argued that none of us should use the words "racist" "fascist"", I'd love to see you being inconsistent.

You've been caught and you don't like it, so threaten people instead, before trying to rewrite what was actually said. You've consistently defended your use of the word fascist to describe the EU, as your post immediately above this one demonstrates:

[Oracle]

But then I never suggested you personally did
I see you as one of the disenfranchised centre left ground, who feels that nobody represents you. Is that right?

However stolly raised the issue of election, and since Corbyn is still intent on it, he and his muppets believe it will uscceed. I commented on some of those issues.

I also do not agree stollys analysis of uxbridge. I addressed that. The increased vote of labour last time was from UKIP, they will now go back to BXP because of Corbyns non policy. Labour is far more divided on brexit than tory, so has more to lose.

Almost the very first thing you said is wrong. Does anybody in the country actually think that?

I am almost as appaled by a Corybn lead goverment as a Johnson led goverment.

[Witton Park]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: you're a liar.
Don't think changing the subject is going to help.

On 13-03-2019 at 10:49 AM: you likened the EU to Nazi Germany, have called it the Fourth Reich and a “fanatical organisation”

Here's you again:


and


So, if that's "consistently argued that none of us should use the words "racist" "fascist"", I'd love to see you being inconsistent.

You've been caught and you don't like it, so threaten people instead, before trying to rewrite what was actually said. You've consistently defended your use of the word fascist to describe the EU, as your post immediately above this one demonstrates:

"I have consistently argued that none of us should use the words "racist" "fascist" or "nazi sympathiser" of each other as people."

You conveniently clipped off the last section of Oracles sentence. Maybe not a liar, but a misleader would be a fair call.

"of each other as people"

It's quite important that.

Many people do believe the EU acts in an authoritarian way. It has strong centralised power, able to enforce acts on to the members that their elected Parliaments are bound to enshrine in domestic law, such as this weeks increase from 5% to 20% on solar panels.

You might think it's unjustified to throw ultranationalism at the EU, but the EU and many of it's custodians have adopted the mindset of a Nation.
There are plenty of quotes on record from the likes of Verhofstadt who think the answer to every problem is more EU and questioning of the processes of the EU is tantamount to heresy.


So whilst I wouldn't used the word fascist to describe the behaviour of the EU, I can unserstand why some would.

The use of the word directed at people in my opinion has become akin to verbal/written diarrhoea.

If someone isn't politically aligned with you, or to the left of you, chuck the accusation around enough and it might stick.

It's poor form, shows a lack of any genuine argument and I'm getting a little fed up that we can't just disagree without chucking unwarranted insults around.

[Oracle]

a misleader would be a fair call.

Charming!
To wit have I misled good sir?
Pray show how or honour demands you withdraw such dastardly accusation!