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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellbeast View Post
    Exactly. There was once a time where believe or not I only ever wore Walshes and completely sneered at Inov8. Somehow over time Ive evolved my opinion a full 180 degrees. Inov8 are super duper and Walshes are totally for losers 😉😊
    That's because you're being limited to the spectrum of acceptable opinion. Have you ever tried brogues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem View Post
    Do you know what the advice was that SAGE provided to Johnson? And do you know what Vallance personally thought of that advice? SAGE is made up of a number of individuals. Maybe Vallance was going along with a sense of collective responsibility, and thought it desirable for everyone to keep the message clear by not contradicting one another. But, anyway, even if Vallance did change his advice about herd immunity, you've provided one example of a change in objective that was made very, very early in the pandemic. In March things were obviously in flux. New insights and facts were becoming apparent by the day. To suggest that that change at that time constitutes yo-yo advice by Vallance isn't reasonable, at least not to my way of thinking.

    “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” John Maynard Keynes.
    One example? Well as examples go on changed advice it's quite a whopper. We don't know if there have or haven't been others.

    This article reports what Vallance said at the time.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-herd-immunity

    Here are a few interesting extracts.

    “What we don’t want is everybody to end up getting it in a short period of time so we swamp and overwhelm NHS services – that’s the flattening of the peak,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

    “Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission, at the same time we protect those who are most vulnerable to it. Those are the key things we need to do.”

    He added: “This is quite likely, I think, to become an annual virus, an annual seasonal infection.”

    “If you suppress something very, very hard, when you release those measures it bounces back and it bounces back at the wrong time,” he said. The government is concerned that if not enough people catch the virus now, it will re-emerge in the winter, when the NHS is already overstretched.


    I think the last two sentences are very interesting. Was he right first time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellbeast View Post
    Exactly. There was once a time where believe or not I only ever wore Walshes and completely sneered at Inov8. Somehow over time Ive evolved my opinion a full 180 degrees. Inov8 are super duper and Walshes are totally for losers 😉😊
    Wow. Smart chap that Chomsky. Do you think he had bought shares in Inov-8?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Breeze View Post
    Wow. Smart chap that Chomsky. Do you think he had bought shares in Inov-8?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6k6zlmPBoA
    ....it's all downhill from here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Mole View Post
    Nice one.
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    I think we all acknowledge that the numbers are too high, and are increasing quickly.
    Clearly action is needed - what is holding them back? The longer effective lockdown is delayed, the longer it will need to be in place, resulting in greater economic, social, and non-Covid medical harm.

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    Yes, it seems there's little other alternative to step things up beyond the "very high" measures we already have in place. Should we be doing stricter local lock-downs? Like the previous full lock-down, but perhaps leaving schools open. And only doing these full lock-downs in areas where it's high.

    It's clearly quite a patchy picture nationally. But we seem to need something more that we've got now.
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    The number of Covid-related deaths in England over the past seven days involving individuals who were under 60 and without a pre-existing condition was zero.
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    Since the middle of July there's been little talk of ethnicity issues re Covid other than a few assertions I've seen and read that BAME are more vulnerable.

    I haven't seen breakdown by ethnicity of the casualties. Just age.

    Here in Blackburn, as I have previously mentioned, there have been some examples highlighted in the local news of mass rules breaks such as cricket tournaments, weddings with 250 attending.... among a section of our local community particularly back in June/July.

    If anyone looks at the tracker showing cases by local area, you can see the Blackburn epicentre for positive tests. It's the centre of town and out 1-2 miles from approx North North West to East South East.

    You can also see on tables such as Richard keeps on Twitter that 4 MSOA's from Blackburn with Darwen feature in the national hotspots. All 4 have been in the top 20 at the same time recently.
    https://twitter.com/RP131/status/1321858823792037889
    We've just lost topspot. But still 4 in the top 30.

    In these 4 areas the current rate of positive tests is up to 10 times greater than in others areas of town only 2-3 miles away.

    The local hospital, East Lancashire Healthcare Trusts Royal Blackburn Hospital was recently featured by CNN - they allowed the cameras in and interviewed some staff.

    Matron in critical care Linda Gregson highlighted some of the difficulties and talked about zoom calls with family members of patients on the CV ward.

    At one point she told us “Unfortunately on several occasions we have had to stop the zoom calls because there have been numerous relatives in a room, not social distancing. The other day there were at least 45 in a room.”

    It does make me wonder, especially when looking at the chart on Twitter, whether the current uptick is split almost entirely between the University sector, who are largely unaffected themselves, and the South Asian communities.
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    I wish there were clearly defined thresholds for moving between tiers. Here in Derbyshire Dales we are just about to move into T2 despite levels here being around 1/2 those in neighbouring areas also moving to T2. This suggests either we shouldn't be moving or other areas should have moved earlier. I appreciate we are still very luck living where we do but this is the first time that I have felt slightly angry at the restrictions.
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