Coronavirus

[Witton Park]

Let me make three assumptions, I cannot prove.

3/ That on arrival they will obey the social distance rules

I've read of a few accounts of passengers on plane's coming to UK being told that they must return to their home on arrival and self-isolate for 14 days.

[Witton Park]

This article is probably wishful thinking.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...s-coronavirus-

Apparently an Oxford study has suggested that a large chunk of the population may already have been infected by the virus but are showing no symptoms. If true it would mean that it would now be absolutely pointless trying to suppress it at huge economic cost but also that the virus was much less deadly than feared. A study of a village in Italy came to a similar conclusion.

I have to say I have my doubts, wouldn't the Italian outbreak be showing more signs of slowing down by now if true?

I tend to think it has been wider spread. If it was detected and confirmed in China in December, it was probably there all Autumn and in Europe at least a few weeks before we thought.

I do trust the Government and Boris, and I'm following the guidelines. But I do think we've just slightly over reacted.

I've been inundated for the last few years with memes claiming Tory austerity killed 130,000. If there is any truth in this, then how many deaths will a 10-20% crash in the GDP of the UK and the aftermath cause regardless of CV?

I just hope they resist pressure to go further. The current restrictions are in my opinion far enough.

[Stagger]

Some of what you say I agree with WP.
But I do feel as an island we could/should have limited movement of population sooner.

Where ever someone is in the world they should 14 day quarantine at that location.

The world economy is gunner take some sorting out when this is all over.

I prefer the government we've got to any of the alternatives, to bring stability and normality to our country.

[Daletownrunner]

I don’t think anyone knows how this is going to play out, I agree that as far as is reasonably practicable people should stay within walking/ running distance of their own home, if they’re away from home/ out of the country then provision should be made for them to stay there.

[Muddy Retriever]

Boris has it.

[Daletownrunner]

Boris has it.

He looked rough on TV the other night.

[Stagger]

Well, when they told us we were in lockdown how long did they continue with parliament?

He'll be right, it only a bit of flu.

[Oracle]

There is no truth in the 130000 it was a myth of false statistics fabricated by medical people who should know better but let their politics trump their judgement, in a quest to pretend only NHS matters!

The entire argument was based on death rate gradient, that flattened out.

Tell me: if austerity killed , how is it all but a few of the causes are still in decline on stats, eg cancer as medicine improves,( or were in decline at the time of that study ) only such as respiratory tract( maybe air quality?) and such as altzheimers ( ageing population) were worsening.

Rule 1 of statistics is correlation does not imply cause. But like the now Struck off professor Roy meadows, remember him? wishful thinking is often used in place of statistical argument, as it was in this case.

Second: the same methodology used in this pseudoscience also predicts that the creation of NHS killed not saved, looking at death rate decline rate, and the rot set in before 2007 : how so , if it was supposed austerity?

The people who created the pseudoscience decided their answer, austerity kills, then tried to backwork evidence for their conclusion, which is and was utter nonsense. It also damaged the credibility of the socialist medics that tried to promote it.

The study admitted it didn’t look at causality so admitted it was worthless!

Since then it is a myth repeated so often it gained the status of fact.

It is possible there was some kernel of truth somewhere if they had used actual science, but that study discredited the line of research not enhanced it.

But yes, people will die early. You cannot turn an economy off and devote all resources to nhs, and still hope to feed and clothe the population down the track. The cost of this will be reduced not increased social care. An economy can only generate so much wealth. You cannot spend what you don’t have forever. Ask Venezuela.

USA only manages it because of the dollar oil hegemony. Without which the dollar would collapse. It’s also why my view US launched wars to preserve the hegemony.

I tend to think it has been wider spread. If it was detected and confirmed in China in December, it was probably there all Autumn and in Europe at least a few weeks before we thought.

I do trust the Government and Boris, and I'm following the guidelines. But I do think we've just slightly over reacted.

I've been inundated for the last few years with memes claiming Tory austerity killed 130,000. If there is any truth in this, then how many deaths will a 10-20% crash in the GDP of the UK and the aftermath cause regardless of CV?

I just hope they resist pressure to go further. The current restrictions are in my opinion far enough.

[Witton Park]

There is no truth in the 130000

I know, I was just citing that as mostly the "pundits" on TV and radio claiming we haven't gone far enough and should be firmer in mandating closure of non-essential work are the ones who peddled that bollocks

I just didn't clearly express myself well enough.

Interesting that the Chancellor indicated they may have to look at the self-employed tax system following the support being given.

Yet no talk in the media about those many Public Sector staff who are still in receipt of full pay, including my daughter.

Just a few rough sums.

Someone sent home from the Local Authority on £25k will still be on £25k equivalent.

Someone sent home from a local factory on £25k will be on £20K equivalent and possibly the employer will top that up.

Someone self-employed stopped from working.....?

and after this is done, when we have to recoup through tax, are those taxes going to be levied on those that have received most support?

Whilst I am 90% supportive of what they have done, I think the way they have set up the financial support package is less than satisfactory.

[Oracle]

And all of the above , and MPs will have non reduced pensions, despite the dramatic loss of capital in the pensions MPs mandated for everyone else. But them.

The poor sod who alternatively owns a couple of properties as a very poorly performing pension ( by public sector standards) is now sitting on 3 months Coronavirus rent arrears. Minimum. Thank goodness I got out of that.

Turns out investing in gold wasn’t so silly.

I know, I was just citing that as mostly the "pundits" on TV and radio claiming we haven't gone far enough and should be firmer in mandating closure of non-essential work are the ones who peddled that bollocks

I just didn't clearly express myself well enough.

Interesting that the Chancellor indicated they may have to look at the self-employed tax system following the support being given.

Yet no talk in the media about those many Public Sector staff who are still in receipt of full pay, including my daughter.

Just a few rough sums.

Someone sent home from the Local Authority on £25k will still be on £25k equivalent.

Someone sent home from a local factory on £25k will be on £20K equivalent and possibly the employer will top that up.

Someone self-employed stopped from working.....?

and after this is done, when we have to recoup through tax, are those taxes going to be levied on those that have received most support?

Whilst I am 90% supportive of what they have done, I think the way they have set up the financial support package is less than satisfactory.