Coronavirus

[Fellbeast]

Eeeeeee...Stolly. That's a bit close to the knuckle lad! I love Swedes, me!

Haha to be fair I’d plonk myself firmly in the ‘culturally stand-offish’ camp too

[Muddy Retriever]

This conversation is bring back bad memories of the 1992 European Championships and Graham Taylor.

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[Llani Boy]

This conversation is bring back bad memories of the 1992 European Championships and Graham Taylor.

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Good memories of Abba for me.

[Graham Breeze]

Their economy has still suffered along with everybody else's and they've had 10 times the mortality than their neighbouring countries in the process.

Really? On the same measurement base?

Or is that Stolly Hyperbola?

[Graham Breeze]

That said bravo to Sweden but they're not out of the woods yet.

When you won't be able to see the woods for the Swedes?

[Fellbeast]

Really? On the same measurement base?

Or is that Stolly Hyperbola?

There you go:



In particular look to see where Norway, Denmark and Finland are

[Graham Breeze]

There you go:



In particular look to see where Norway, Denmark and Finland are

Thank you. That is a very interesting chart.

Particularly if you are a resident of Norway or Finland.

[Muddy Retriever]

If the last lock-down taught us anything when viewed across multiple countries it's that early harsh lock-downs lead to fewer deaths and can be eased sooner - probably with less effect on the economy.

I'm not sure it has taught us this. Peru locked down hard and early and has the worst death rate in the world (bar tiny San Marino). In Europe, Belgium locked down hard and early and has the worst death rate in Europe. It also hasn't prevented them having a second wave, with case numbers which are at the moment worse than ours proportionate to their population. Meanwhile, Japan only had restrictions on a par with Sweden and didn't bother overmuch with any of that testing malarky. They have 1,629 deaths from Covid, which is less than Ireland despite having 25 times the population.

So it suggests there are many other factors at play which determine the success or otherwise of a country in coping with the virus. Certainly population density, which is one of the reason why we have done badly (like Belgium) and perhaps some acquired immunity in the far east from exposure to previous coronaviruses.

Lockdowns if they are complied with or enforced do seem to suppress the virus eventually but only for a while. Even if you get numbers down to very small numbers the virus will just pop up again once restrictions are eased as is happening all over Europe. And at what cost to livelihoods, mental health and other medical conditions?

[Fellbeast]

Thank you. That is a very interesting chart.

Particularly if you are a resident of Norway or Finland.

Yep, with the U.K. pretty going for maximum bungle on both axes

[Graham Breeze]

Lockdowns if they are complied with or enforced do seem to suppress the virus eventually but only for a while. Even if you get numbers down to very small numbers the virus will just pop up again once restrictions are eased as is happening all over Europe.

Presumably because the fundamentals eg population density, societal behaviour...have not changed?