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    Quote Originally Posted by CL View Post
    Very busy nowadays but thought I'd pop in to help you deal with the reincarnated Stolly.
    Oh. I thought you might have heard the word "drugs"!

    And since we are talking about drugs - Daniel Friebe has a biography out next year of Jan Ullrich.

    Another tragic figure.
    Last edited by Graham Breeze; 28-09-2020 at 03:14 PM.
    "...as dry as the Atacama desert".

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    Interesting point - why do cycling fans love Pantani but hate Ullrich?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derby Tup View Post
    Interesting point - why do cycling fans love Pantani but hate Ullrich?
    I don't hate Ullrich. He was a cycling prodigy brought up in the rigid, drug addled, East German system and couldn't cope with the freedom once Germany was unified. He was the first German to win the Tour and, like Wiggins, he couldn't resist the subsequent adulation. Germany rather overreacted to the drugs scandal. Its teams closed down and cycling disappeared from TV. Ullrich was probably "blamed". Ullrich has since spent time in a mental hospital.

    Pantani was a physicaly unattractive man (ears stuck out, went bald very young) who found he was loved only when he won bike races. So he did anything to win bike races. He never came to terms with being thrown out of the Giro a couple of days before he was to win for the second time (via a test that is still regarded as suspicious) and following this humiliation took refuge in cocaine - which killed him.

    I think they were both great bike riders but were flawed human beings first and couldn't cope when their feet of clay were exposed - unlike say Riis, or Armstrong who still thinks every body else is wrong and he has done very little to be damned for.
    Last edited by Graham Breeze; 28-09-2020 at 04:59 PM.
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    GB is of course entirely correct. But, in my mind, Pantani had wings and excelled so brilliantly in the mountains. Ulrich was dull, predictable and lacked any kind charisma - a machine. I don't hate him but there's no real comparison.

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    Charisma, style, character, elan . . . err, that’s Pantani
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    Charisma, style, character, elan . . . err, that’s Pantani
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    "...as dry as the Atacama desert".

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    Great stage at the Giro today. I won't give anything away, but catch up with it later if you haven't seen it.
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    It was a truly great stage. I watched it live and I watched the summary. Live the commentators were ecstatic - "stage of the century" - and some of that commentary appears in the summary coverage but (of course) because it is there chopped up and curtailed what the summary vividly illustrates is why stage-lite is inadequate in giving a real sense of what made the stage so great, as distinct from 3 commentators telling the viewer that it was a great stage.
    "...as dry as the Atacama desert".

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    As a non-subscriber I had to watch the highlights, and it still looked impressive. I think some knowledge of cycle racing was possibly needed to grasp just how truly great it was.

    Thanks to WP for not mentioning any of the protagonists and spoiling the highlights for anyone, whilst alerting everyone who likes cycling.

    On the grand tour theme, I'm saddened to say I don't think the Vuelta a Espaņa, usually the best of them all, will happen this year.

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