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    So once Brexit is done and dusted I presume the possibilities of another British rider winning plummet to zero, similar to the Eurovision song contest?
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    Thank you Graham...

    It does seem to the outsider that it will generally always swing in favour of a strong mountain cyclist, due to the time gaps that can be attained (in a similar way that gaps in fell races are usually far larger than flat races).

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    Thank you Graham...

    It does seem to the outsider that it will generally always swing in favour of a strong mountain cyclist, due to the time gaps that can be attained (in a similar way that gaps in fell races are usually far larger than flat races).
    Not necessarily. Miguel Indurain was tall and heavy and so struggled to get over mountains and won hardly any stages but he won 5 consecutive Tours because he was almost unbeatable in Time Trials. Light mountain climbers are often rubbish at Time Trials (they just don't have the muscle) and cannot get back the time a strong Time Trial rider can gain.

    There have been Tours with maybe five Time Trials and long ones at that and that is how Anquetil destroyed his opposition.

    The Indurain years are regarded as the dullest era in Tour history since WW2. However they immediately preceded the EPO years when Riis and then Ullrich, Pantani and Armstrong started winning - by being good climbers.

    In recent years to win the Tour you have to be more of an all-rounder and the balance has swung to favouring climbers but you still have to be able to Time Trial well - as we saw today, although "hill top" finish Time Trials are somewhat unusual.

    I didn't really care who won the Tour - as long as it wasn't Ineos - and I hope 2020
    has seen the end of the fear other teams have had for the Sky/Ineos machine.
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    Indurain pre-EPO Graham? I thought he was more the start
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    So once Brexit is done and dusted I presume the possibilities of another British rider winning plummet to zero, similar to the Eurovision song contest?
    I think Sky bought one very good rider - Froome - but just like US Postal in the Armstrong era he also had by far the richest/best team supporting him. Froome was never simply the "best rider" and if he had not been riding for Sky he might never have won a single Tour.

    But that is the nature of the sport. When Hinault realised LeMond was a better rider his team, La Vie Claire, bought him to support Hinault so he could get his 5th win with the promise to support LeMond in future years.

    Of course Hinault reneged on that promise but then Hinault was French.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derby Tup View Post
    Indurain pre-EPO Graham? I thought he was more the start
    Well there is the suggestion but he has never admitted it and he left the sport the year after his final TdF victory so he may have got out just in time whereas a lot of other Spanish riders were caught. And Spain had the laxest attitudes with regard to drugs etc for a long time.


    This is a fun list:

    https://cyclingtips.com/2018/04/comm...ved-and-hated/
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    Funnily enough, Indurain is the name that immediately spring to mind for me when thinking of TdF and brings back the most nostalgia and fondness... Going back to childhood and the Channel 4 highlights programme.

    Same with F1 and Mansell/Patrese/Senna/Alesi/Berger.... And pretty much the entirety of 90's European football...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Breeze View Post
    he also had by far the richest/best team supporting him.
    So generally speaking, on average, how much, roughly and typically, would you say a TdF win is down to the individual and how much down to the team?

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    I had some fun looking at the same list too Graham
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    So generally speaking, on average, how much, roughly and typically, would you say a TdF win is down to the individual and how much down to the team?
    I don't think I can put a % on it (!) but the fact that Sky/Ineos, which was/is pumping several times more money into its team than anyone else, has won the Tour with five different riders illustrates that it's the team that matters, and not the individual riders; and money buys the best team (which is more than just the riders).
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