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    A Cautionary reminder

    I hope Nick doesn`t mind me posting this on here:-

    https://www.ukhillwalking.com/articl...ary_tale-13350
    Last edited by JohnK; 11-02-2021 at 08:18 PM.
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    I think Nick makes a lot of very valid points but personally I still struggle to resolve the issue of taking a mobile phone. My thinking goes along the lines that because it can't be relied on to work when you need it none of my decisions on the hill should be based on the perception that I can dial up for help if I need it. It follows that on that basis I should only do things that I'm happy to do (ie prepared to accept the risk) without one. So I don't carry one but do have most of the other kit Nick suggests - I was out yesterday and had microspikes, spare warm layers, bivi bag, food etc.
    I think the problem with mobiles is that there is a danger of making decisions based on the assumption that they will work - therefore some people will expose themselves to a greater degree of risk than they would normally on that basis. The false security of a mobile can override sound judgement.
    Having said that I don't think I'm a luddite, I carry a VHF and a PLB when I'm sea kayaking and I use a GPS watch (but NEVER to navigate!). Perhaps I'm just of the generation to whom mobile phones are inextricably associated with yuppies - I'm typing this in one though, although I don't take it out with me,except in the car as there don't seem to many AA boxes around any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark G View Post
    ...except in the car as there don't seem too many AA boxes around any more.
    When I was young and my parents lived in Lancashire if they were traveling to, say, Cornwall on holiday the AA would provide a free typed route description of every road and turn for their journey, particularly noting all the AA boxes.

    But unlike a satnav it did not say "recalculating" if we made an error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark G View Post
    I think Nick makes a lot of very valid points but personally I still struggle to resolve the issue of taking a mobile phone. My thinking goes along the lines that because it can't be relied on to work when you need it none of my decisions on the hill should be based on the perception that I can dial up for help if I need it. It follows that on that basis I should only do things that I'm happy to do (ie prepared to accept the risk) without one. So I don't carry one but do have most of the other kit Nick suggests - I was out yesterday and had microspikes, spare warm layers, bivi bag, food etc.
    I think the problem with mobiles is that there is a danger of making decisions based on the assumption that they will work - therefore some people will expose themselves to a greater degree of risk than they would normally on that basis. The false security of a mobile can override sound judgement.
    Having said that I don't think I'm a luddite, I carry a VHF and a PLB when I'm sea kayaking and I use a GPS watch (but NEVER to navigate!). Perhaps I'm just of the generation to whom mobile phones are inextricably associated with yuppies - I'm typing this in one though, although I don't take it out with me,except in the car as there don't seem to many AA boxes around any more.
    You make a good point there Mark and I agree with the main thrust of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark G View Post
    I think Nick makes a lot of very valid points but personally I still struggle to resolve the issue of taking a mobile phone. My thinking goes along the lines that because it can't be relied on to work when you need it none of my decisions on the hill should be based on the perception that I can dial up for help if I need it. It follows that on that basis I should only do things that I'm happy to do (ie prepared to accept the risk) without one. So I don't carry one but do have most of the other kit Nick suggests - I was out yesterday and had microspikes, spare warm layers, bivi bag, food etc.
    I think the problem with mobiles is that there is a danger of making decisions based on the assumption that they will work - therefore some people will expose themselves to a greater degree of risk than they would normally on that basis. The false security of a mobile can override sound judgement.
    Having said that I don't think I'm a luddite, I carry a VHF and a PLB when I'm sea kayaking and I use a GPS watch (but NEVER to navigate!). Perhaps I'm just of the generation to whom mobile phones are inextricably associated with yuppies - I'm typing this in one though, although I don't take it out with me,except in the car as there don't seem to many AA boxes around any more.
    I don't carry a mobile phone - I don't have one - just my GPS watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    I don't carry a mobile phone - I don't have one - just my GPS watch.
    Same here Mike. Well that's not quite true, I have an old non-smart phone buried in the bowels of my car in case I breakdown/happen upon emergencies as I drive in mainly rural areas (where have all the phone boxes gone ). I try to remember to check on the battery every few months. It's had £20 credit for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mossdog View Post
    Same here Mike. Well that's not quite true, I have an old non-smart phone buried in the bowels of my car in case I breakdown/happen upon emergencies as I drive in mainly rural areas (where have all the phone boxes gone ). I try to remember to check on the battery every few months. It's had £20 credit for years.
    Have you checked you can still make calls? Some mobile networks re-allocate the number if the no calls or credit top-up for a period (3 - 12 months).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfella View Post
    Have you checked you can still make calls? Some mobile networks re-allocate the number if the no calls or credit top-up for a period (3 - 12 months).
    You're right. I'm was with Orange but now it's ee or similar and I found a text from them with that warning. I simply made a call to my home landline and left a message on my ansaphone so it's re-set now. My main problem is that the battery seems to run down after a few weeks even if the phone is off. That does mean I remember to check it regularly now though.
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    I remember using the AA atlas to prepare routes to our holidays to the beach resorts of Wales in the 80's and early 90's.

    Was always interesting, particularly as our car couldn't always be relied upon to behave on motorways, so generally had to string the towns together.

    My mum's annual holiday to Dyffryn Ardudwy in the 50's and 60's was apparently an all-day journey, thanks to their car habitually breaking down, and my grandad's insistence on stopping every half hour for a fag and cup of tea (often the first stop was barely outside of Coventry).

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    I generally agree with the not making decisions based on having a working phone in signal. Assuming all you have is the non-electronic items in your pack is a good rule of thumb.
    However, I would still always carry one on the off chance it did work. I forget it's even in my bag until I take it out upon getting home. I don't think carrying it would cause me to reduce the amount of kit, or indeed the amount of care, I would take, or change my mindset at all. For me personally, I see carrying a phone as having no downsides.
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