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    Totally agree that it's looking like a Slovenian one-two, the question is what the order will be. My head is saying Primož Roglič, but I much prefer the attacking style of Tadej Pogačar, so I'm going with a top 3 of Pogačar, Roglič, and someone from Ineos (I think Carapaz is their best bet)
    A lot of attention is being paid to Pogačar riding on the big ring, when he was on the biggest sprocket at the back.

    I recognise the "he's on the big ring!" psychology (after Riis) and far be it from me...but I would have thought it was mechanically slightly more efficient for him to have got his chain more in-line?

    After all, the boy clearly needs all the help he can get
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    Should, in theory, be the hardest day so far today, with the first Hors catégorie (HC) climb of the race the Col du Pré, as well as the Col des Saisies, Cormet de Roselend and the climb to Tignes.

    Amazingly, I've ridden all of them, so to get you in the mood here are a couple of old photos from the Col du Pré



    This is from near the summit, note the absence of any meaningful type of barrier. It was narrow, bumpy and twisty if I remember correctly too, but at least they won't have to contend with cars coming the other way



    And here's the bottom by the Lac de Roselend, the white at the background is Mont Blanc, on the way to the Cormet de Roselend
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Should, in theory, be the hardest day so far today, with the first Hors catégorie (HC) climb of the race the Col du Pré, as well as the Col des Saisies, Cormet de Roselend and the climb to Tignes.

    Amazingly, I've ridden all of them, so to get you in the mood here are a couple of old photos from the Col du Pré



    This is from near the summit, note the absence of any meaningful type of barrier. It was narrow, bumpy and twisty if I remember correctly too, but at least they won't have to contend with cars coming the other way



    And here's the bottom by the Lac de Roselend, the white at the background is Mont Blanc, on the way to the Cormet de Roselend

    I reckon you are still good enough to ride for Team Ineos Grenadiers.

    If that isn't insulting you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Should, in theory, be the hardest day so far today, with the first Hors catégorie (HC) climb of the race the Col du Pré, as well as the Col des Saisies, Cormet de Roselend and the climb to Tignes.
    Should the FRA adopt a Hors Catégorie classification for fell races, and if so, which races should be HC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonykay View Post
    Should the FRA adopt a Hors Catégorie classification for fell races, and if so, which races should be HC?
    Buttermere Horseshoe
    Wasdale
    Ennerdale
    Jura
    Arrochar Alps
    Marsden-Edale Trigger
    Peris
    Welsh 1000mtrs

    (the Scottish races added in on heresay rather than experience!)

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    Great pictures Marco - looks like you picked a better day.

    Pogacar is good, really good. But anyone else wondering what the heck is going on with some of these other GC riders?

    Ineos went with 4 of them all capable of top 10 and I know GT crashed, but Porte and Geoghegan-Hart have been very poor for Ineos and Kwiakowski usually at least makes the bottom of the last climb. He's hardly been seen.

    Super Man Lopez will need a rebrand and Fuglsang, another way off the mark.

    I'm astounded Simon Yates has gone there is such poor form. A rider of his calibre should be contesting a podium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonykay View Post
    Should the FRA adopt a Hors Catégorie classification for fell races, and if so, which races should be HC?
    Yes, I think that would be a good idea; I'll let those with more experience pick the races

    Whilst I've never got to the bottom of how they grade climbs, the Tour de France category system accounts for what has come before it, so what would be a 1st category climb in the middle of the stage can be elevated to HC if the race finishes at its summit after several earlier 1st category climbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
    Great pictures Marco - looks like you picked a better day.

    Pogacar is good, really good. But anyone else wondering what the heck is going on with some of these other GC riders?

    Ineos went with 4 of them all capable of top 10 and I know GT crashed, but Porte and Geoghegan-Hart have been very poor for Ineos and Kwiakowski usually at least makes the bottom of the last climb. He's hardly been seen.

    Super Man Lopez will need a rebrand and Fuglsang, another way off the mark.

    I'm astounded Simon Yates has gone there is such poor form. A rider of his calibre should be contesting a podium.
    I don't think it's a case of how bad the opposition is, but more a case of how good Pogačar is. What I think we're looking at is someone of the Merckx or Coppi level of talent; someone who can/will attack when leading the race and win by minutes rather than seconds. If you're a neutral, I think it's absolutely great

    What I read in the papers was that because the Olympic road race is only 6 days after the end of the Tour de France, Simon Yates felt he couldn't mount a full on challenge so he has settled himself for a stage win or two. Personally, I think that's negative. In his day, Eddy Merckx, (had he have been eligible to ride the Olympics which were amateur only), would have ridden both with the aim of winning both

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I don't think it's a case of how bad the opposition is, but more a case of how good Pogačar is. What I think we're looking at is someone of the Merckx or Coppi level of talent; someone who can/will attack when leading the race and win by minutes rather than seconds. If you're a neutral, I think it's absolutely great

    What I read in the papers was that because the Olympic road race is only 6 days after the end of the Tour de France, Simon Yates felt he couldn't mount a full on challenge so he has settled himself for a stage win or two. Personally, I think that's negative. In his day, Eddy Merckx, (had he have been eligible to ride the Olympics which were amateur only), would have ridden both with the aim of winning both
    I take that on board, but Lopez came in with Cav today. Porte just won the Dauphine and wasn't that much further ahead.
    It seems poor preparation to me.
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