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    Today's politics

    Dominic Cummings.

    Not even Trump or Berlusconi could make politics so "interesting".

    Do you believe what Mr.Cummings said to L.Kussenberg?

    I do.

    For the record, I'm neither lefty nor Brit. I don't even live in Britain any longer...

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    Last year Cummings was considered a lying x by much of the population, now they hang on every word. Sifting the lies from the truth from gross exaggeration in all politics seems near impossible to me, and this is all reminiscent of the school playground and petty revenges.
    Truth or lies I have no idea, but I would never give the man a job.

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    What amuses me is that for every accusation, the UK public seems to say "yeah, we thought that might have been the case, but we still think Johnson is OK."

    Most of it seems to centre around Johnson's alleged uninformed decision making and lack of judgement. Which we're used to in politicians, and isn't going to bring the government down. For all the mud Cummings is throwing, he's yet to grasp that it's tabloid tittle tattle that fells politicians, not whether they are competent.

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    [QUOTE=Gambatte;675062]Dominic Cummings.

    Do you believe what Mr.Cummings said to L.Kussenberg?

    I wouldn't p*** on Cummings or Kuenssberg if either of them were on fire!
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    I wish he had kept his hand away from his mouth - so often it was hard to tell if he was grinning/laughing/scowling. A fascinating hour of TV, whatever you think of the two individuals.

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    I missed it, i was out running.

    One thing that always seems to come to the fore is the fact that people expect politicians and well embedded advisors like DC to be honest and professional. I don't expect that at all, which is why none of them ever disappoint me.

    People like Keunssberg contribute to this culture of high expectation too, by asking questions like 'do you feel you've let the public down' etc. Its nothing more than outrage porn to me; people who don't care that much start feeling let down and being bothered about it all.

    I can't see myself voting ever again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr brightside View Post
    One thing that always seems to come to the fore is the fact that people expect politicians and well embedded advisors like DC to be honest and professional. I don't expect that at all, which is why none of them ever disappoint me.
    I missed it as well. Very busy lately fitting work in between short breaks away.

    I don't expect them to be honest and professional either. I've become used to politicians generally ducking straight answers, and being evasive. Maybe avoiding the accusation of a lie by the skin of their teeth at times.
    We don't usually hear the advisors though, at least until they've gone and then pop up as pundits on QT or writers in the papers such as Nick Timothy, Campbell, Steve Hilton...

    I'd describe Cummings as different.

    I've not seen any reason to say he is dishonest, although I do disagree with him on certain issues, I believe him to hold his views honestly.
    In fact he has won his battles with the Electoral Commission and journos that have pointed the accusatory finger at him.

    He was correct to call Hancock a liar, as he showed himself to be soon after Cummings described him as such.

    I think he is also correct to describe many at the top of Government in which he included himself, as out of their depth.
    Would you appoint BJ as CEO of M&S?
    How about Priti Patel running BAE Systems?

    I've felt for sometime the calibre of people in the Commons is at the lowest it has been in my lifetime.

    So I believe him to be honest and the question I suppose is, should he divulge this information. Is he breaking trust, ethics, professional lines.

    This is politics. He's been briefed against as well. Politics is full of anonymous briefings and leaks. I find it preferable that someone comes out and says it publicly whether in the Select Committee or in an interview. At least then there is something to scrutinise and challenge.
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    Would you prefer it if we had a system of direct democracy something more like Switzerland?

    Apparently this can produce unexpected results such as, banning cars on Sundays, building Minarets, or in our case Brexit.
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    I was not aware of this bigfella, thanks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_S...ret_referendum

    I see there have been some less contentious examples that demonstrate how direct democracy can work well too.

    Take your pick from the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popula...lar_initiative

    Protecting wetlands and curbing excessive executive pay seem more laudable. But it seems a very mixed picture.

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    How about a start date for Xmas. Kicking it off early September is appalling.
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