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    Quote Originally Posted by Steph View Post
    Yes I have, lol, as usual some good points and info references. Interestingly when I speak to people they agree DC was wrong, although how wrong usually depends on political affiliation. Perhaps keyboards are to blame.

    I listened to their press briefings and it didn't quite hang together for me. Not the right or wrong of what he did but DC's poor communication with his govt bosses and failing to involve the team who look after their safety and security, if that is how it happened I wouldn't want him in my team, or running the country.
    That post doesn't quite chime with "The whole country knows he was wrong"

    Interesting on the political affiliation.

    This is what I find.
    anti-Tory criticise him almost without exception.
    ant--Brexit ditto
    Pro Tory - a significant % are critical
    Pro Brexit - a significant % are critical
    examples being pundits Julia Hartley-Brewer and Tim Montgomerie.

    It seems that someone politically opposed to the Johnson led Tories has difficulty cutting him some slack.

    But they other way around when it was Stephen Kinnock, Kinnock's political opponents still found it within themselves to support him.

    I think it tends to show we are splitting between Libertarian and Statist. Leftist libertarians like Claire Fox and Paul Embery are aligned with Tory libertarians like Douglas Carswell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post
    That post doesn't quite chime with "The whole country knows he was wrong"

    Interesting on the political affiliation.

    This is what I find.
    anti-Tory criticise him almost without exception.
    ant--Brexit ditto
    Pro Tory - a significant % are critical
    Pro Brexit - a significant % are critical
    examples being pundits Julia Hartley-Brewer and Tim Montgomerie.

    It seems that someone politically opposed to the Johnson led Tories has difficulty cutting him some slack.

    But they other way around when it was Stephen Kinnock, Kinnock's political opponents still found it within themselves to support him.

    I think it tends to show we are splitting between Libertarian and Statist. Leftist libertarians like Claire Fox and Paul Embery are aligned with Tory libertarians like Douglas Carswell.
    So on closer examination the lynch mob with their blind blood lust - do actually discriminate and don't just like lynching for the sake of it?

    Who would have thought?
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    But then nobody high profile has done similar.
    If you care about the nuances.

    Stephen kinnock and parents didnt have Covid, totally voluntary violation.
    The labour MP went to a birthday party! That was a disgrace.
    It gets worse. Corbyn voluntarily took his wife into parliament in violation of her right to leave home, held a garden party for his sons, and did a group bike ride.

    UNLIKE any of them, Cummings had to do something. Events forced his hand. He was forced to isolate somewhere, and considering his boss went in intensive care, which could have been both him and his wife, they had a kid to look after who would have been excluded from any childcare if they were symptomatic.
    So in the interests of the kid they went to the place they could expect care if needs be. His parents. He was already being threatended on the doorstep because of false accusations, such is the baying mob and the inaction of police over harassment. That too will have played a part.

    The decision will have been made quickly. And it was out of the question to discuss it with anyone. It would have been taken out of his hands very quickly. I suspect his wife guided the decision more than anyone else, on totally understandable grounds. He is a father first, a civil servant second.

    Bravo for him putting his family first. And for working whilst many public sector are shirking at home.

    Only people who do not know or hate cummings claim "there are similar cases" that "apologised" . There are no similar cases. And the whole country dont know he was wrong. Only the overly vociferous media and cummings haters.



    Quote Originally Posted by Steph View Post
    He said, she said, who cares? The whole country knows he was wrong, the others who have done similar have by and large held their hand up, DC, BoJo n Gove took a few days and came up with a matter of fact story, Bo Jo N Gove getting their we didn't know (mebee) giving them plausible deniability should this turn sour, believe what you think is correct. but DC, as one of our Guiding Lights, should have spoken to the P&DP team as he was so worried for his and his families safety, end of controversy.

    DC can hardly complain of media smoke and mirrors, I am sure he has done similar in the none too distant past.
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    Is Cummings related to you Oracle?
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    While I would not align myself with many of Oracles proclamations, on this occasion I must say I agree with him. Cummings mistake was not to get clearance from a higher authority. But time and circumstances may well have forced his hand or induced a panic. Imagine YOUR state of mind if you had to run the gauntlet of a baying mob every time you came home. And if all your closest colleagues were dropping like flies with a potentially lethal disease?

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    A 6 hour drive. Car phone??

    I accept he put family first in some aspects,
    But
    In others he made bad choices.

    On the old forum we would have just had a poll and the decision would have been made by a majority.
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    Now there's a thought! 49/51% split!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheeze View Post
    Now there's a thought! 49/51% split!!
    Correct. I can go with a majority
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Breeze View Post
    So on closer examination the lynch mob with their blind blood lust - do actually discriminate and don't just like lynching for the sake of it?

    Who would have thought?
    The point I was trying to make, but seemingly failed, is that one side seems to object en masse to a perceived misdemeanour by the other - highlight by Cummings - but that the other side tends not to - as highlighted by the reaction to Kinnock, where he was largely defended by Libertarians who were often opponents of him. Meanwhile because he was one of theirs, the statists kept quiet, seemingly embarrassed to get involved.
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    Ha ha ha and the stories keep running:-

    The PM's adviser stayed with his family in what he said was a "cottage" on his parents' farm in Durham, in April.

    The only planning applications listed on the council's website for the farm are for a roof over a swimming pool in 2001, and the removal of various trees.

    Durham County Council and a local MP have received a number of complaints.
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