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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    I'm really close in height and weight, and I was a scalatore in my cycle racing days
    Cool. I didn't know this.
    See if you can answer this, I always wonder....
    Say two decent cyclist A and B are same height, weight, strength and endurance. What makes one a better climber than the other, and the other better on the flat...????????

    Of the random strangers I meet on the road nobody beats me on a climb. Everybody beat me on the flat. Well, not true of course but I hope it still gives the idea...

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    Its probably got a lot to do with what's going on in the head!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambatte View Post
    What makes one a better climber than the other...????????
    Even me with my minimal biking experience knows the answer to that: lower gears, a lighter bike, skinny little frictionless tires and mahoosively huge quads 😊

    People who are worse on the flat are mainly worse because they blew everything they had on the last climb!
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    My new bike is in the post, at last 👍. Once it arrives I shall purchase some cycling clogs and find out how much easier the hills are on a lightweight road bike. I hope.
    Don't roll with a pig in poo. You get covered in poo and the pig likes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molehill View Post
    My new bike is in the post, at last ��. Once it arrives I shall purchase some cycling clogs and find out how much easier the hills are on a lightweight road bike. I hope.
    Remind us what it is Moley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellbeast View Post
    Even me with my minimal biking experience knows the answer to that: lower gears, a lighter bike, skinny little frictionless tires and mahoosively huge quads ��
    I could not disagree more.

    Low gears are available to all. Yet there is still big difference, at all levels, between climbers and not.

    Weight difference between decent modern bycicles is too small to explain such difference between climbers and not. Percentage-wise, once added the weight of the cyclist, is minuscules compared to the differences in climbing times.

    Tires are all the same, almost.

    Big quads. If two cyclists with same weight height strength endurance, the one who is a better climber is so because of bigger quads, how come he's slower on the flat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambatte View Post
    Big quads. If two cyclists with same weight height strength endurance, the one who is a better climber is so because of bigger quads, how come he's slower on the flat?
    The biomechanics of turning the pedals is presumably similar enough on the flat and a hill. And gears mean it's not about whether you're better pedalling quickly or slowly. So I think the only remaining answer is: psychology. Some people put their all into hills, others less so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambatte View Post
    Cool. I didn't know this.
    See if you can answer this, I always wonder....
    Say two decent cyclist A and B are same height, weight, strength and endurance. What makes one a better climber than the other, and the other better on the flat...????????

    Of the random strangers I meet on the road nobody beats me on a climb. Everybody beat me on the flat. Well, not true of course but I hope it still gives the idea...
    My opinion is that it is largely due to what is in your head, and I would suggest that most climbers are born rather than trained. In breaking this down a bit, I would say it is about your attitude to suffering, and also your skill in utilising your power and endurance in the most efficient way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Breeze View Post
    However I had always wanted a Bianchi because Coppi usually rode one (I know he rode Legnano as well) and well... it is so gorgeous. Even my (female) neighbour calls it "the pretty one".

    Although she might mean me?
    I was, as always, being slightly tongue in cheek as I had realised your Bianchi was, understandably, in homage to Coppi

    If I had unlimited funds, and unlimited storage, I too would have a Bianchi. My reason is that one of my prize possessions is the November 1968 issue of International Cycle Sport with a colour cover photo of Felice Gimondi, resplendent in the Italian champions jersey, winning the GP des Nations aboard a Bianchi

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    Quote Originally Posted by noel View Post
    The biomechanics of turning the pedals is presumably similar enough on the flat and a hill.
    This I wonder...
    On a climb your bicycle and body are at a different angle with respect to the gravity vertical. So the distribution of force you have to put on the pedals throughout the 360degree turn maybe is different, not more or less force, just distributed in a different way.
    What do you think guys? Nonsense?
    If this were true, I could perhaps train it on the turbo, like adjusting the overall geometry in some "climbing" way.

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