i need a big piece of meat

[AllanT]

okay here goes
its conscien reasons allan

i used to be a very good junior match fisherman and i can def tell you fish feel pain
ive worked in places were ive seen pigs electricuted for 5 seconds then had there throats cut and hung up to bleed to death cos the blood runs out there bodies quicker and ive seen them still alive a good 10 mins later
i could tell you more but you get the jist

Fair enough. You could go all Ray Mearish & start catching grubs & stuff??

[daz h]

Been toying with becoming a bit less of a meat eater myself, sort of a social carnivore. You might get some answers from this lot;

http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=22

http://www.veganrunners.makessense.c...icles/428.html

cheers much appreciated fellrunner

[Joliver Jim]

This is all very good information. Sophie is starting to eat less and less meat every day now. Nothing we've done or said, she just doesn't particularly like meat and is starting to refuse it. She eats tons of salad, fruit and pasta but does she need something else? She's nine. Any advice?

[david]

She's nine. Any advice?

Have a look at the Vegetarian Society web site and this booklet in particular.

[Joliver Jim]

Have a look at the Vegetarian Society web site and this booklet in particular.

Thanks for that David, very helpful stuff!

Despite the more cooking I might have to do. Oo-er. Poor Sophie.

[Wheeze]

Oh, for heavens sake, get a grip you lot! Nature has seen fit to give us incisors and canine teeth that have no place in a vegetable based diet, plus our ability to utilise cellulose is vastly reduced as witnessed by the evolutionary shrinkage of the appendix. Balance is the key. Did any of you see Fat Men Can't Hunt? Very instructive. Whilst the Kalahari bushmen were quite happy to exist on monghetti nuts and a form of african potato that took nearly a day to root up, they balanced this with meat from nearly any source they could get from small birds to elephants. And they were all stick thin and could go all day. This vegetarianism thing is some form of distorted guilt complex. Lets find something more constructive to worry about!
Mindyou, I'm all for a more ethical treatment of our animals. Big business has a lot to answer for.

[Joliver Jim]

Oh, for heavens sake, get a grip you lot! Nature has seen fit to give us incisors and canine teeth that have no place in a vegetable based diet, plus our ability to utilise cellulose is vastly reduced as witnessed by the evolutionary shrinkage of the appendix. Balance is the key. Did any of you see Fat Men Can't Hunt? Very instructive. Whilst the Kalahari bushmen were quite happy to exist on monghetti nuts and a form of african potato that took nearly a day to root up, they balanced this with meat from nearly any source they could get from small birds to elephants. And they were all stick thin and could go all day. This vegetarianism thing is some form of distorted guilt complex. Lets find something more constructive to worry about!
Mindyou, I'm all for a more ethical treatment of our animals. Big business has a lot to answer for.

That's as maybe, I'd probably agree with some of it but at the end of the day...if you don't like the taste of meat then you don't like the taste of meat! I never particularly did, Sophie doesn't now.

All hail the healthy diet. Bugs, bodies, salad and tomatoes. Lets do it.

[Mud]

incisors and canine teeth that have no place in a vegetable based diet

My gerbils had ****-off big incisors, the bitely little gits. They were vegetarian apart from taking chunks out of me when we were playing tag round the bedroom.

[Joliver Jim]

the bitely little gits.

This is such a cool way of describing my children!

[Wheeze]

Quite agree with anyone not wanting to eat meat coz they don't like the taste. Thats a very sane issue. Me, I just about chunder if anyone tries to force fried liver in my mouth (with or without fava beans!!) so I have real empathy with that one. It's when the beardie-sandal brigade get all holier than thou that my gorge rises. I'd probably eat liver in front of them just to spite them ( as well as biting my own nose off!!).

Good point Mud. Why do nasty little effers like gerbils and rats have massive incisors? I thought it was for stripping insulation from electric cables.

It still sound like Daz needs a gert big Filet Mignon, oozing and pink in the middle, parting like a vestal virgin to the caress of his knife and melting on the tongue like a snowflake on a summers day. Some peppercorn sauce on the side, a big helping of spinach and mash and a full bodied Merlot to wash it down.....ooooohhh, gastro-porn!