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    Permissive Paths not on maps

    Is anyone else really frustrated by the number of permissive paths on the ground that are missing from OS maps? Often the only way you find them is when you happen to run past one. I've come up with a short list based on the South-west Peak District, anyone want to add to the list? Anywhere in the UK would do, but I've come up with a couple of restrictions:

    Paths entirely within access land aren't listed.
    Path isn't marked as Permissive Path on the latest OS 1:25,000. (Use the Get-a-map from http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/)
    Path must be in a hilly area.

    Shutlingsloe: Access from Macc Forest
    976711 - 975699
    Permissive Path to Access Land from Macc Forest. Stiles continue through to join ROW near Shutlingsloe.

    Macc Forest - Lamaload Missing Link
    971733 - 971736
    Stiles but no path. Joins the two ROW together.

    Macc Forest - Lamaload Missing Link?
    965734 - 965737?
    I think there's a path here also.

    Lamaload Reservoir: Reservior Circuit Link Path
    973745 - 974745
    Singposted path through trees from ROW to the road.

    Goyt Valley: Erwood Hall - misc. paths
    00.74.
    Several paths shown on map are open, plus a couple not marked:
    Zig zag path from ROW on stakeside down into Shooters Clough.
    Path from car park up onto StakeSide.
    Track to Errwood Hall.
    Circuit of hill behind Errwood Hall.
    From Errwood Hall up valley to "The Street"
    Link from this path up to Foxlow Edge
    Shooter's Clough Bridge over Foxlow Edge (2nd half not marked)
    Link from Erwood Hall to this path.
    Path through the Rhododendrons high up above Erwood Hall on the south side of the valley (not on map)

    Goyt Valley: The Street
    994766-010760
    Footpath beside road from the top car park down almost to the bottom car park.

    Lyme Park: Open Access
    96-82-
    Almost all open, lots of paths not marked on the map.

    White Nancy: Access from N
    939771 - 940773
    Popular but unofficial shortcut straight up the side of the wall.

    Kerridge Hill: Ridge Path
    943764-945755
    ROW round the side is unused - path with stiles is along the ridge

    The Roaches: Back Tor - Hanging Stone
    989651 - 975653
    Path shown on map. Follows ridge, going down past the Hanging Stone.

    Danebridge: Link Path
    965652 - 968652
    Path through the woods joins the river path to the ROW to Hangingstone Farm.

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    Re: Permissive Paths not on ma

    Several reasons, they may be part of an agri-environment scheme, where the access paths and/or areas may are not shown on the OS map, just on the Natural England website.

    This is the case in Wales where permissive access done under the Tir Gofal scheme are not marked on OS maps, because they are only open for the duration of the agri-environment scheme.

    Perhaps OS maps are too expensive to be re-surveyed every few years? How long is it between OS maps being updated?
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    Re: Permissive Paths not on ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Silly Big Fella View Post
    they may be part of an agri-environment scheme, where the access paths and/or areas may are not shown on the OS map, just on the Natural England website.
    Got a link to a list?

    Quote Originally Posted by Silly Big Fella View Post
    Perhaps OS maps are too expensive to be re-surveyed every few years? How long is it between OS maps being updated?
    I've no idea why they don't get marked, many of the ones I listed have been open for 20 years plus! If we each listed a few ones we knew about and then I compiled them into an easily accessible form then hey presto! Problem solved

    There must be hundreds of them, but only hundreds, not thousands.

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    Re: Permissive Paths not on ma

    I can only tell you what happens in Wales, but try the Natural England website and do some rootin' around.

    The Countryside Council for Wales (CCW) website has a map showing permissive access areas in Wales opened up under the Tir Gofal scheme. Look under the 'Interactive Maps section'.

    www.ccw.gov.uk
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    Re: Permissive Paths not on ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe View Post
    Is anyone else really frustrated by the number of permissive paths on the ground that are missing from OS maps?
    Don't blame Ordnance Survey, it's the Permissive Society that is at fault!

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    Re: Permissive Paths not on ma

    Friends of mine have put in a couple of permissive footpaths over their land, linking existing rights of way in a logical way. However, they were done under the Countryside Stewartship Scheme and are therefore only limited to the duration of the scheme, typically 10 years. That is why they do not appear on maps, as far as I am aware...
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    Re: Permissive Paths not on ma

    Thanks SBF.

    The Tir Gofal stuff is shown in a scrollable map which is quite good:
    http://www.ccw.gov.uk/interactive-ma...ccess-map.aspx
    But you have to zoom right in before you see the paths, so they're hard to spot.

    For England there's a list of some permissive paths and open areas here:
    http://countrywalks.defra.gov.uk/
    but you have to choose County and then look at each path separately, so it's a bit of a nightmare to trawl through.

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    Re: Permissive Paths not on ma

    in Bronteland there are a few

    Theres a path along the ridge between Oxenhope Stoop and the Pennine Way thay has yellow arrows but is not shown on the OS Map.

    Plus, there's a cracking path all the way up to Crow Hill from Ponden near Haworth that goes to the old quarries up there (just below the famous 'lad stone'). The OS took the path off their maps when the quarries closed yet you wouldnt even need a 4x4 to go up it (probably !)
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    Re: Permissive Paths not on ma

    Those ones in Bronteland are open access land now.

    I'll content myself for now with trying to complete the permissive paths local to me. First step is checking that defra site.

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    Re: Permissive Paths not on ma

    Well, a couple of hours later I've checked http://countrywalks.defra.gov.uk/ for the South West Peak and found 5 paths, 2 of which are completely useless. Two of the others I've used before but forgot yesterday (having found them by accident), but I have found one new path :-)

    Wildboarclough: Cessbank Common Link Path
    SJ963686 - SJ959684
    Path from Greenway Bridge SW of Shutlingslow SW to the Access Lank at Cessbank Common. Joins together two sets of ROWs.
    http://countrywalks.defra.gov.uk/Dis...AG00253841.pdf

    Wincle - River Dane path
    SJ969663 - SJ967661
    Path variation - loops down to visit the stream and back. Did this as a walk with the children
    http://countrywalks.defra.gov.uk/Dis...AG00059853.pdf

    White Nancy - Alternate Path
    SJ941772 - SJ940774
    Alternative path to the ROW 100 yards west. Ran this on Monday!
    http://countrywalks.defra.gov.uk/Dis...AG00164862.pdf

    Lima Farm - Small open access area
    948 774
    A small field that the ROW passes through is open access, but you can't get anywhere from it!
    http://countrywalks.defra.gov.uk/Dis...N=06360017.pdf

    Wildboarclough: Blaze Farm
    SJ975675
    Small closed loop for people to walk off their Ice Creams bought in the tea shop.
    It also goes N down to the ROW, but that's of little use either.
    http://countrywalks.defra.gov.uk/Dis...AG00178442.pdf

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