Yeah FJ I can see the benefits from an organisational perspective to save time etc but as you rightly suggest we had systems in place at Coiners to get it done quickly enough and I know not just from my own son but all our juniors that times are really important to them. They arent really that concerned that routes change even year on year with conditions etc its just a really good means for them to judge where they are against certain key others. The races are for them so the times will stay even if it might delay the presentation,. I take your point about adding in times later for race results on websites etc though