Olympics 2012

[CL]

well done mo ! cl what are your thoughts on double olympic gold medaller mo ?

I believe that he is on EPO. I also believe the top African runners have been on EPO for two decades and by joining them that was the only way he could compete. It took him 5 years to get down to 13.30. During some of those he couldn't break 14 minutes, yet now he can put two sub 13.30 runs together for the 10000m.

EPO can take more than one minute off a 5km time and two minutes off a 10km time. With those sorts of benefits can the top runners compete without it when the testing is fairly easy to bypass for anyone but the 'dopey dopers?'

[Mike T]

Whilst it does sound suspicious, the article is dated 2008 and refers to the Beijing olympics. Things may well have changed since then, who knows.

The labs concerned have had plenty of time to reply but I have not been able to find anything. If only small amounts of EPO are used they would be undetectable by the methods shown but also ineffective. That of course does not make it acceptable.There may well be methods of detection that they are keeping from the general public, and more importantly, the athletes. They are keeping samples for years these days - surely in that time if there was an attempt at a cover up one or two honest people in the system would spill the beans? Or as C L says am I being naive?

[biara]

I think you are being too harsh CL on quite a few issues but fair play you are recognising some of the decent performances and calling them correctly.
1) You state that EPO can take 1 / 2 mins off your times but where is your evidence for this? On what do you base this, I accept the idea that EPO will improve you but I don't know by how much.
2) Your comments on Mo, I think are unfair. You are missing out the fact that he has changed coaches, moved to a different area and generally decided to do lots of things differently. If a person is good but missing out on that extra 'oomph', wouldn't a change of coach, scenery, attitude improve him. You say that oomph is EPO, I disagree, each to their own ideas.
3) Usain Bolt takes less strides than others, if a tall person with a long stride moves their legs at the same rate as a short person with shorter strides, the tall person will win and be quick. Bolt has a proven record over a number of years from winning the junior world championships (I think that's right) so he is not a suddenly quick runner.
4) You talk about Carl Lewis being called a cynic, yet he failed drugs tests at the olympic trials before the Ben Johnson race. You mention people who 'suck up to druggies' but appear to be doing the same.
http://www.digital-forums.com/showth...rl-Lewis-doped

[Multiterrainer]

I believe that he is on EPO. I also believe the top African runners have been on EPO for two decades and by joining them that was the only way he could compete. It took him 5 years to get down to 13.30. During some of those he couldn't break 14 minutes, yet now he can put two sub 13.30 runs together for the 10000m.

EPO can take more than one minute off a 5km time and two minutes off a 10km time. With those sorts of benefits can the top runners compete without it when the testing is fairly easy to bypass for anyone but the 'dopey dopers?'

So you don't believe in the slightest that hard focussed work, determination, a change in attitude and training regime on top of natural ability can also take more than a minute off 5k & 2 mins off 10k times?

[shaunaneto]

These XC boys are flying

[Vegan Runner]

I've only been 'racing' since May 2011. Since then I've taken well over 2 minutes of my 5k and nearly 5 off my 10k.

All I know about EPO is that they wrote Mr. Blue Sky.

[Alf]

Fred Evans get's the silver. A fair result. Well done Fred on getting the silver :thumbup:

[biara]

Fred West get's the silver. A fair result. Well done Fred on getting the silver :thumbup:

Don't you mean Fred Evans????

[Stagger]

Fred West get's the silver. A fair result. Well done Fred on getting the silver :thumbup:

Fred West would have killed for a Gold

[Eleanor]

nearly as much as that big juicy steak I was telling vegan about.

Why do you taunt people about their personal life choices? Perhaps it seems light-hearted or even amusing when you type it, but it comes across aggressive when I read it.