Good point Saz.Intelligence is the ability to reason, whereas knowledge involves memory.Saying that intelligence cannot exist without memory.Originally Posted by saz
There are plenty of people who can remember all sorts of facts and figures, but cannot reason.
CL, the reason I think your argument is circular is because you only rely on the fact that runners are fast therefore that they take drugs. They take drugs therefore they are fast.
Aouita may have been clean but he was a lesser runner than Rono.
Coe's record over 800 metres stood for 20 odd years befor Kipketer beat it by fractions.
To be honest I don't really care because I myself have lost a fair bit of interest in mainstream athletics due to drug issues - I refuse to argue the point as to whether I am more dangerously naive than you are. What I do take issue with is you trashing everything on here with your agenda.
My opinion is that we are rubbish as a nation because we buy into a victim mentality.
It is a fellrunning forum. As far as I know Jebbie doesn't buy into the mediocrity - but you trashed my suggestion that people should train that way, suggesting that people would die from it!
Those of us who never ran as hard as we could will never know that we just weren't very good at it.
But aren't you contradicting yourself?Or are you just losing interest because of those athletes that are caught?
Obviously there is a point athletes can't go beyond.I've got a book here by Lydiard.In it he quotes from Moorhouse and Millar's 'The physiology of sport' certain facts pertinent to running.
To go from a 78.43secs/400m to a 67.60secs/400m requires an increase of 3.67litres of oxygen/min.To go from a 47.91secs/400m to a 47.24secs/400m requires an increase of 5.5litres of oxygen/min.
So clearly as the speed increases the demands for oxygen increase dramatically.So going from a 66secs/lap in a 10k to a 64secs/lap calls for huge increases in oxygen, that cannot be met by normal metabolism.
If you don't understand this there really isn't anything else I can say to make you understand.At the top level of our sport there is very little natural difference between the speed of world class athletes.
The point I was making about Jebb is, for some athletes to copy his training routine would be a mistake.They wouldn't be able to stand the amount of training that he does.Others could.
Each of us must tailor our training to our own abilities.
I think you know very well Chris that I'm not trashing EVERYTHING.To say that is to misrepresent my views, that I've clearly made.
My agenda is to redeem our sport by frank discussion of the corruption destroying it.
Last edited by CL; 18-04-2008 at 05:17 PM.
I've never seen Rob Jebbs' training quoted anywhere? Maybe Saz should get him to take a proper V02 max test and find out what he may / may not be capable of?
If the Norwegian skier and the Spanish cyclist got off their skis and bikes could they be the fastest runners?
It's an interesting question. Lance Armstrong has run a 2:46 marathon. Now that ain't world class but I doubt he trained anywhere close to the levels he trained at as a pro cyclist? So V02 max plus application?
Why? If you aren't very good and you want to be why not ask Jebbie what he does in training and copy it.
There is a fair percentage chance that even if you don't become great, you'll be better than you are now.
There's a fair chance you'd get slower as well.Particulary if you couldn't recover.
There's a logical way for every runner that wants to get better, to train.
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