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Works well in cricket and both codes of rugby.
Football has a cheating culture at all levels, which is why it's not liked.
Agree Stagger but in addition to that, the the refereeing and interpretation of the rules is too sloppy, ie foul throws, taking a free kick from the wrong place, the ball not placed in the corner quadrant and as Scotland found out the hard way, the goalkeeper leaving her line before a penalty has been taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
The last offence mentioned can be seen week in week out on MOTD and no one mentions it not least the dozy linesman stood pretending to be interested and not having the balls to raise his flag.
Next season is going to be a nightmare with VAR causing more arguments over decisions even though the vast majority will be correct.
Footballers have got away with not playing by the rules, some of them probably not even knowing all of them, for too long and are in for a shock. Poor things!
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Originally Posted by Llani Boy
I think the main issue is, that as the play is stopped, the tension rises, never mind causing arguments, it’ll cause riots.
When I spotted the title of this thread, I was expecting it to be all about those excellent, French, plastic tyre levers for bicycles.
I'm not a football fan but I observe that one of the main qualities of the game is its constant flowing nature. VAR degrades that. I think the authorities need to think harder about how to integrate VAR so it does not interfere with the flow. In rugby we have the TMO who gives the ref the outcome of the query. This can take ages with multiple camera angles to see the ball under a mass of bodies. In soccer, it seems much more clear cut. Goal/no goal. Offside/onside. These decisions could be quickly given whilst the goalie is picking the ball out of the net. So why not have a TMO who can almost instantly tell ref if goal is good or not? Penalty decisions can also be given whilst players are preparing to take kick when there is a natural interruption in the flow. The on-pitch ref should not need to run over to a monitor!
I find this so pathetic. A team spends four years preparing and getting to the world cup final and score the winning goal, but have it disallowed. People then complain about waiting three or four minutes finding out that it was valid and having the initial decision overuled.
Somebody mentioned the Scotland penalty, yes goalies got away with breaking the rules, which the Scottish goalkeeper clear did, but now they can't becasue of VAR, that is not VAR's fault. That is almost like complaining about a very fit refereed with good eyesight that is able to keep up with the play and picks up on fouls. Oh if he had been too fat and stood at the other end of the pitch he would not have seen that foul and the game would have continued without interruption.
Maybe with VAR the English would not still be complaining about "the hand of god" 33 years later.
. . . or the Département in Provence.Quote:
Originally Posted by wheezing donkey
Anyway, I would be lost without my Var425 tyre lever; with my weak fingers I would be completely unable to get a tyre back onto the wheel after mending a puncture.
Soccer is more stop start than American football.
Very rare do you get 30 seconds actual ball in play.
Time it.
VAR is great
Last time I went to American football play suddenly stopped for no apparent reason. Local expert advised me it was a tv ad break. 10 mins later play resumed. Tell me that happens in soccer!!
Oh and it took 3 hours to complete 1 hour game time!
90mins games take 2 hours now.
But how many minutes is the game actually in play?
Lass than 55mins per 90 I would suggest.
Ha ha ha just looked it up.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/talkspo...127263506/amp/
Football will implode in the next few years due to greed.
Hopefully 👍
I’ve been saying for about ten years now, that the only hope for football is if one of the big Premier League Teams goes bump... the football authorities don’t care if the likes of Coventry, Bolton, Blackpool, Charlton, are run poorly.... and history shows they never gave a damn about the likes of Aldershot, Maidstone, etc.
You only have to look back to the 90’s..... correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t Swindon and Spurs both reprimanded for “financial irregularities”..... Swindon were demoted two divisions, whilst Spurs got away Scot-free...... hypocrisy of the highest order.
One of the problems with the premier league is people like me who pay for sky sports which fuels the vast amount of money swilling about, in addition to supporters, who pay an arm and a leg to watch matches live.
I keep meaning to stop but never get around to it because I like watching many sports especially over the winter months.
Much of the problem can be laid at the door of terrestial TV which ingnores the big sports and throws its money away at minority sports such as tennis, snooker and womens football.
That reminds me that the annual Clare Balding and Andy Murray love fest fortnight is about to start.
Yawn
I would have thought a minority of the BBC license fee payers were interested in football.
Tell me about it. I normally listen to five live to and from work but for the Wimbledon fortnight every afternoon it has nothing but live tennis. The only thing more boring than watching tennis is listening to it on the radio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Why? Aren't we all licence payers (or supposed to be)?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Swindon's punishment (in 1990) was reduced to one division on appeal. As they'd just been promoted through the play-offs it meant they ended up staying where they were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
Tottenham (in 1994) were initially deducted 12 points and thrown out of the FA Cup. On appeal this was overturned although their fine was increased from £600k to £1.5 million.
I can't remember the precise transgressions or seriousness in either case.
Generally though there seems to be absolutely no consistency in the punishments that the FA/Football League dish out for offences.
Someone at my wife's tennis club got some complimentary tickets for Wimbledon, and gave my wife two of them. So we are going to be down there on the Monday of the second week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Anyway, Llani, thanks for warning me that we might be subjected to the sight of Clare Balding and Andy Murray making love. :rolleyes:
New balls please!Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonykay
What's the definition of a minority sport? Almost 8 million watched the match live last night...Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Only because the BBC are shoving it down our throats.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffB
Also, do you really believe the viewing figures?
I think tennis is a great sport. I play it at a very low level and have the greatest respect for the strength, stamina, co-ordination, flexibity, tactical nous and indefatigable determination of those who play it professionally. Wimbledon fortnight is one of the highlights of the year for me. I could do without Baldilocks but McEnroe has to be one of the best commentators of any sport.
I agree about McEnroe and also like Michael Johnson commenting on Athletics. Both American and both tell it how it is which is why I like them. None of this mushy, plucky Brit shit about someone who came runner-up/reached the semi final and is treated like a hero with their arse pocket stuffed with lottery money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
Nobody is forced to watch it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
I’m sure the figures aren’t made up :mad:
Attitudes have got to change, the women who play the game are as determined, professional and committed as anyone in sport, they deserve support not derision, 1970s attitudes have no place anywhere, anymore.
France v USA a cracking watch
It was an idiotic comment that did not deserve a replyQuote:
Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
In addition, tennis has been able to absorb it's own version of VAR and make it part of the spectacle. Everyone loves Hawkeye!
I have seen a little of the WWC and am impressed with some of the skills and technique of many of the players but it is a different game to the men’s, especially with the lack of tackling. However with regards to cynical play ie diving it is better, but that will change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
My gripe is that the BBC is making it out to be the same and as good as the men’s game, which it is not. This was summed up by the retired MOTD commentator Barry Davies on Radio 4 today saying that at least two of the England players were good enough to play for the men’s team. Come on.
If saying that Women’s Football is a different game to the Mens, as is Women’s and Men’s Tennis/Golf, a 1970’s attitude the so be it
If they are of the same standard and skill why do they not play together?
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Originally Posted by Llani Boy
They don’t play together because at present we have Women’s football and we have Men’s football, they are different in the same way that women’s and men’s marathon are different, they should be accorded equal airtime, your attitude that women’s football is a minority sport that is being rammed down our throats and shouldn’t be accorded equal airtime stinks, I have two daughters who I am immensely proud of, they are should be able to do whatever they choose to do in life without prejudice in the same way that anyone should no matter what their gender.
I’ve got to agree in principle with Llani Boy here I’m afraid...
The general standard is poor.... people argue that “well league 1 and 2 is poor and people don’t moan about that”, but League 1 and 2 football isn’t being force-fed on prime time BBC and constant Radio.
I’m all for it being broadcast and good luck to any present (and indeed future) players of the women’s game. In fact I was a big supporter of our girls football team when I was at secondary school (the fact that at the time they were one of the top girls teams in the country might have helped a little!)
But the BBC’s assertion that the Women’s World Cup is a high standard tournament and thrilling spectacle is just not in line with reality.
Without wanting to pour petrol on the bonfire.... there already appears to be enough bickering in this section of the forum.... but why is nothing made of the lack of black/mixed-race women in the European, and especially the England side... if this was a men’s tournament the BBC would be all over that subject like a rash...
I didn’t say the standard was the same, I said that the women’s game should be afforded the same level of exposure as the men’s game, in that way it will encourage a steady flow of girls into the game who’ll see clear role models from similar backgrounds to themselves excelling in a sport that has historically been a preserve of men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
That's an entirely fair point... But could this not be argued for most sports.... What about basketball... Which I understand has the highest levels of participation for any team sport in the country (excepting football) yet gets an absolute pittance of coverage...
Indeed, closer to home, what about the great sports like cross-country running and athletics, which barely get a mention unless it's a major championship.
Of course the women's world Cup should get coverage... But it seems to me that the coverage awarded is far and above the actual interest levels... How are the TV companies going to cope once the men's season gets back underway, because now the women's football has been given the limelight, its going to be very hard for them to give it a back seat come August and September.
I also wonder why, if the men's and womens game is separated, why the women's Brazil team wear 5 stars on their shirt...
I’ve been mulling this topic over, I believe that one of the best gifts we can give a child is sport, my father gifted it to me, and here I am at 50 still with a lip on if a 20 year old sticks it to me on a club night :) women’s football has raised the profile of women’s sport in general, it gives young lasses something to aspire to, something that they can see that young lasses, just like themselves have achieved, it’s still a relatively new sport in professional terms, the new batch of young players are coming through at a different level, things can only get better.
Mrs DTR and me ran past a little all weather pitch last Sunday morning, a bunch of girls and boys, I would say under 10’s we’re having a kick around with a coach, it was great to see, in the past it’s likely it would just have been the lads, those kids may go on to play football, they may do other things, I do know that the love of sport fostered by the fella coaching them, I would say for nowt but the love of it, will set them in good stead to carry sport with them throughout their lives, they may play football, the may run etc etc.
Nobody should criticise any sport that kids can watch and can pick up at a grass roots level and keep with them, I think the last time I went to Man City ladies it was twenty quid a family, it was full of all ages, no trouble, no bad language, just a great afternoon out, be positive, let’s face it the TV is crap most of the time anyway so no one is missing much...
and surely the Women’s England team with its diverse mix (and I agree Travs, not diverse enough at present but exposure will help this) are a better role model for young girls than some of the over plumped folk they come across on ‘The only way is Geordie love Island’ or some of the sorry cases they see on Britain’s got Talent who think that their life is over when their plate spinning or ferret wrangling act gets rejected.
My interest in athletics came from watching Grandstand in the 70s when I was 5-15 and it's the main reason I know of runners like Julian Goater and Mick McLeod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
I've been banging on about the lack of national level athletics in any form on TV these days. It seems the BBC is only interested in Mo Farah or fancy dress events.
Even Sky now has withdrawn from covering the Inter Counties XC.
I agree with you too DTR so perhaps we can lie down in the darkened room together!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
It is just the way the BBC is selling the WWC as something it is not that was my gripe, not the participation of women in any sport.