Age limits

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

Unlike the rest of the club who seem to have been around for a very, very long time ;)

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CHEEKY!




(but with more than a grain of truth in it!)

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Originally Posted by AndyA

CHEEKY!




(but with more than a grain of truth in it!)

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Yeh but we're all mates aren't we? and I've had a nice little single malt tonight so ....
Church Stretton tomorrow :D

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Originally Posted by AndyA

The races must comply with the maximum distance restrictions already in force, irrespective of which system is chosen. This distance restriction will, from 1st Jan 2013, be categorised in an 'age on race day' format, in a change from the current 'age on 1st Jan' system.

If their race is to be a champs race then they must stick with the current 'age on 1st Jan' system.

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I'm just doing my monthly catch-up on 'interesting and informative threads'. Including this one. :wink:
Big thanks to AndyA for a brave attempt at some 'plain english' presentation / logical deduction in his Version 1 and Version 2, for those of us who couldn't see the wood for the trees (Note, for me as a layperson the 'hype' seemed to be coming from both directions).

Just picking up and 'attempting to elaborate / add to' a part of your Version 2 (extract in quotes above), my logical deduction says that: if a junior qualifies for the maximum distance restriction of a certain race category on 1st Jan, then by definition they will qualify for that restriction at any other date in the same calendar year. So, if, as a RO your race has been based on 'age at 1st Jan' (like most FRA junior races will - coincidentally maybe - have been?) and you dont change this for 2013, then essentially there is no impact on a junior until they become of 'senior' age and can move up / overlap part way through the year (distance permitting) when they come of age. Also, for any championship series that doesn't span calendar years the same is true if the qualifying age date is 1st Jan (like the FRA-linked champs?). However, for individual races that DO have (either prior to 2013 or after 2013) qualifying age dates that DO fall later on within the calendar year, a junior athlete may find that after their birthday, part way through the year, under the rule change they might (distance limits allowing) legitimately run in races falling into the 'next race category up' (move up a category). Although this might make sense to -and indeed maybe benefit - the athlete / club from the perspective of 'gaining experience' as soon as 'old enough for the distance', for practical championship-point purposes it would not normally make sense to do so (move up), part way through the said championship season.

Now, it's my turn as a parent with 3 juniors (7, 9, 11) with birthdays in Feb, July, Oct to ask:
"Is that (the above) a reasonably objective statement to add to Andy's version 2 to try and elaborate / understand the nuances of this change?"
PS. I hope I've got the nuances of the FRA rule change right, so I can move on to understand the XC (U9, U11, etc) rules and the Swimming Association rules too..:wink:

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Originally Posted by OB1

I'm just doing my monthly catch-up on 'interesting and informative threads'. Including this one. :wink:
Big thanks to AndyA for a brave attempt at some 'plain english' presentation / logical deduction in his Version 1 and Version 2, for those of us who couldn't see the wood for the trees (Note, for me as a layperson the 'hype' seemed to be coming from both directions).

Just picking up and 'attempting to elaborate / add to' a part of your Version 2 (extract in quotes above), my logical deduction says that: if a junior qualifies for the maximum distance restriction of a certain race category on 1st Jan, then by definition they will qualify for that restriction at any other date in the same calendar year. So, if, as a RO your race has been based on 'age at 1st Jan' (like most FRA junior races will - coincidentally maybe - have been?) and you dont change this for 2013, then essentially there is no impact on a junior until they become of 'senior' age and can move up / overlap part way through the year (distance permitting) when they come of age. Also, for any championship series that doesn't span calendar years the same is true if the qualifying age date is 1st Jan (like the FRA-linked champs?). However, for individual races that DO have (either prior to 2013 or after 2013) qualifying age dates that DO fall later on within the calendar year, a junior athlete may find that after their birthday, part way through the year, under the rule change they might (distance limits allowing) legitimately run in races falling into the 'next race category up' (move up a category). Although this might make sense to -and indeed maybe benefit - the athlete / club from the perspective of 'gaining experience' as soon as 'old enough for the distance', for practical championship-point purposes it would not normally make sense to do so (move up), part way through the said championship season.

Now, it's my turn as a parent with 3 juniors (7, 9, 11) with birthdays in Feb, July, Oct to ask:
"Is that (the above) a reasonably objective statement to add to Andy's version 2 to try and elaborate / understand the nuances of this change?"
PS. I hope I've got the nuances of the FRA rule change right, so I can move on to understand the XC (U9, U11, etc) rules and the Swimming Association rules too..:wink:

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Pick the bones out of that FJ
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Originally Posted by Witton Park

Pick the bones out of that FJ
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You've complicated matters again WP with a diversionary tactic. :wink:
Does 'the bones' mean the substance (the framework we wish to keep) or the stuff we wish to discard (to leave behind the meat)?
I'm always confused by this phrase.
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Heres the next issue. I have just returned the forms for the 3 races that CVFR organise and Margaret has rightly asked me clarify details of what races the junior races include. So how do I do that if they are no longer grouped in age bands. To say we have U8 through to U18 is now not so as we just have junior races that people can enter on the day depending on their age. Should it just be advertised as races for all ages and leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by Clash City Rocker

Heres the next issue. I have just returned the forms for the 3 races that CVFR organise and Margaret has rightly asked me clarify details of what races the junior races include. So how do I do that if they are no longer grouped in age bands. To say we have U8 through to U18 is now not so as we just have junior races that people can enter on the day depending on their age. Should it just be advertised as races for all ages and leave it at that.

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Have you decided to have it as age on the day then? I would leave it as it was, in line with the English Junior Champ races & have age on 1st Jan.......now there's a thought!!

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Originally Posted by Hobbsy

Have you decided to have it as age on the day then? I would leave it as it was, in line with the English Junior Champ races & have age on 1st Jan.......now there's a thought!!

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Probably intending to go for "as you were" to be honest just wondering.

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Originally Posted by Clash City Rocker

Probably intending to go for "as you were" to be honest just wondering.

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Gets my vote! Looking for races for our championships & as has been said before, need to have the same criteria across all the races, otherwise you'll have kids competing in different age groups in the same year! Coiners it is then!

The Haworth Curly Wurly junior Woodentop, Ilkley Harriers, Bingley Harriers, Hellifield Gala -the Yorkshire Junior champs and Shepherds Skyline races are using age as at 1st January 2013, hope this helps clubs to pick their junior championship races for 2013.