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Lost Kit. So, we have the following:
Asics hat
3 gloves, all different
A house key
Long sleeve top
A Calvin Kiein fleece
Purple jacket
Adidas shoes
A green hat
Grey top
Grey hoody
Sheep skin gloves
Contact Paul Dennison on the web site detail, or me.
....not to mention hundreds of water bottles i imagine :)
Yep I queue'd up at that stone stile, saw a few decide to jump the gate also, to be honest I wished I'd vaulted the gate with them. Just a question why is it so wrong to jump over a gate if there's a big queue at a stile? Runners jumping over gates has even made the cover of Fellrunner in the past so it can't be frowned upon by everyone. What is the FRA stance on this issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by rs2315
Its the farmers that don't like people climbing over gates, particularly gates that are right next to a stileQuote:
Originally Posted by Fozzy42
Rightly soQuote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
Doh...yes!:D I'll amend the post, cheers :)
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Originally Posted by Ilkley Swimmer
If theres enough people climbing over gates, gate will suffer, dropped hindges, then bolt latch doesn't line up, and gate don't work. Pissed off farmer, result your not coming over my land again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fozzy42
Old adage only takes a few to balls things up for everyone.
Lastly if theres an obvious que and some are short cutting by hopping gate, then it leaves a nasty
taste in my gob.
rs2315
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Originally Posted by rs2315
Mine too...well put
I agree. It bugs me that they seem to think we are too stupid to find a way round when we are actually observing the country code and respecting the fact that we've been allowed to run a race across farmland.
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Originally Posted by rs2315
I updated my blog with the 3 Peaks
Great post race write up Mr F and good to see your oh-so-rare face... Even though I pulled out pre-race I had a great day walking on PYG and spent over two hours at the finish cheering the finishers and imparting my vast (!) hoard of fellrunning lore to any one who would listen! The linguistics lecturer standing next to me now knows the verb 'fishwick': I fishwick, they fishwick... to fishwick. Is there a thread for jargon which no one outside fellrunning would understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tindersticks
I suspect that the farmer may have had 3 peaks recce-ers going up the race route prior to race day and this has annoyed him to the extent where he's decided to wire the pallets across the access point. Those pallets definitely have not been there in previous years on race day. It needs to be sorted for next year.
3 Peaks 5 albums of pics on http://woodentops.org.uk/index.php?t...photoyear=2016
Correct me if I'm wrong - I wasn't there yesterday so guessing where the issue was - but isn't that area labelled on the OS map as Open Access? So as long as you're not clambering walls you're OK?Quote:
Originally Posted by muddy two shoes
Of course if this were to put future races at risk, put a request out and people will* stop using it to recce.
*propper fell runners
also, there's a brief summary of the race from the winner, Marc Lauenstein (former swiss international orienteer), here
Does anyone yet know what the organisers say the explanation is for the pallet blockade?
Beyond the wall there, all of the land is open access. The problem is that that blockaded gap in the wall is the only obvious access point. When ever I run up Whernside (straight up rather than the looping walkers path) I either cross the river a bit further to the right (which entails straddling a knackered old wire fence) or taking the old walkers path where there's a proper stile, but that's much further down the river and got to by a different route entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by ba-ba
I think the farmer was just being purposely awkward to be honest. It's not like that area ever has livestock in; in years of going up there I think I've only ever seen cattle occasionally (but later in the year) or the odd tough old scratty sheep. But if it's his access point he can do what he likes. Perhaps a temporary ladder over it might have speeded things up a bit?
Just had another thought,who was the last person to win the ppp in long trousers?
I had that old fashioned view they slowed you down.
Long pants for me next year!!
rs2315.
Well you've all cheered me up no end!! I was somewhat disappointed to fail on improving my PB, dropping 5 minutes instead! (4.48). I kind of enjoyed the whole thing, got my standard issue cramp off Whernside and to a lesser degree, Ingleborough! I do kind of wonder if I need to focus on the race more, train more specifically and know the times I need to achieve on the tops and CP's to get the times I want i.e. 4,30 in the first instance!! The only notable differences for me was the queue before Whernside and exceptionally cold (numb!!) feet on the actual ascent. Hopefully the issue with queuing at Whernside will be sorted....step ladders a la Fellsman would do it!...as long as the farmer is happy. Can't wait for next year except I'll almost certainly be doing the Fellsman if the dates clash again!!
I was another of the runners held up at the bottom of Whernside trying to cross over the pallet one at a time. Hats off to everyone there as no one decided to vault over any other part of the wall, they all showed remarkable constraint and a high degree of etiquette. To have climbed over and damaged the wall would have been an absolute PR disaster and would have given further vindication to the farmer for not allowing access up the fell to the summit on subsequent races.
However on a personal level this delay cost me dearly as I just missed the cut off at the Hill Inn.There were a lot of runners in the same boat as me who were absolutely dismayed that there was no leeway given on the cut off time for the que at the bottom of Whernside.
The female marshall at the Hill Inn check point ,whom appeared to be in control did her best to pacify some of the really upset runners in fact while I was there she had contacted the Race Director for guidance on the issue of the pile up at the bottom of Whernside, but the answer given was a final and unequivocal NO to the fact that the runners had not reached the checkpoint in the allocated time and subsequently were retired off the course
There has been a breakdown in communication somewhere between the farmer and the race organisers and this needs addressing for next years race
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Originally Posted by Calluna
Dismayed indeed.
It's difficult to understand how this could have happened especially as the race is so superbly organised.
I feel that you should ask for a refund of your entry fee for that organisational error.
Was aiming in my head for 4.30, but rolled in at over 5.10!
Funning thing is I was sticking to those 4.30 times (on 3P website) until the bottom of Whernside and was 10 mins inside them at Ribblehead. But by Whernside summit I was behind schedule and at Hill Inn at 3.20, when should have been 3.10 and more importantly, still feeling fresh!.
Certainly the conditions were tricky on that section (up and down Whernsnide) - constant hail and a pretty treacherous descent (which I ended up sliding down, like a human sledge!).
The queue at the "pallets" will have contributed a bit but then it was only 5 minutes, which in a long race is not, for me, a great deal. Would be good if it could be sorted in future as I have never known it to be an issue here before and I do feel for those who just missed out at Hill Inn.
As usual, I found Hill Inn to Ingleborough slow (50 plus mins). One of these days I will train properly on hills and actually enjoy that lovely run into Horton!
Finally, huge thanks to Marshalls and organisers. This remains one of the best organised, atmospheric and brilliantly supported fell races in the calendar.;)
I think we might have shared the bus back...ha! I got to the Hill Inn and it didn't sink in for a while what had actually happened! I was so comfortably under the previous cut offs (as it was my first Three Peaks, I was worrying about them but in the end cleared them, well 2!) and then realised the queueing at the pallet "did me over". Absolutely gutted as I had trained well & raced well over winter for it and felt fantastic, along with really enjoying myself. Hoping to go back next year and give it a right good go againQuote:
Originally Posted by Calluna
The race control should have added 5 minutes to the cut off at Hill Inn and I can only assume that they didn't fully appreciate the delay at the wall in not doing so.Which is a shame.
And instead of the farmer being awkward with his tied up and irremoveable pallets, as I thought before, maybe he just thought it would be helpful and safer if it was rock solid to climb over? For sure that gap has often been blocked by a right rickety pallet in the past, albeit one that I guess could be removed I race day
You have to be careful of those 3P splits as they are based on average speed and the first half of the course is much faster than the second half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tractorboy
The best way to work out a schedule is to check the times and splits of runners from previous years.
You'll find a mix, because some (like me) used to get around to Ribblehead fairly comfortably in 1:45 ish and then hang on for a 4:45.
Others may only get through RH is 1:55 and yet finish in 4:30.
I spent 5 minutes in the queue and was not impressed by a well known female fell runner jumping the whole queue. managed to beat the Hill Inn cut off by 8 mins though but felt really sorry for those that were less than 5 minutes outside the cutoff getting pulled out. its a wonder we did not get a serious injury on the Whernside descent from people trying to make the time up in absolutely treacherous conditions.
Having had some injuries and a lack of training was pleased to finish in 4.57 so my 9th finish in a row and managed 64 mins for Wray Fell Race yesterday.
that said, its a fantastic race and as said by others the marshalls were brilliant as always and the race would not run with them so thank you.
10th one next year, can I get a plaque for 21 races??? will mean I will be 71 for the 21st race!!!
Firstly, well done on your run and for your patience. A club mate of mine who is new to this race and quite new to the sport witnessed what you did and told me that people in the queue said it was ok because of 'who she was'. That's not our sport and made her (and my) blood boil. I'm respectful of past achievements but it clearly does not warrant a heightened importance in races. THere's racing and there;s arrogance and rudeness.Quote:
Originally Posted by geronimo
I had a similar experience some years ago when i helped a heatstroke stricken runner and called for help to be told by the same person that they couldn't stop because they were competing for a category prize. Said runner was in the same club as the stricken runner and i wasn't (not that this should matter). I got help from others and eventually let my feelings be known, only to be led away by the elbow by a friend of mine who knew i was wasting my time. As i understand it, stricken runner changed clubs afterwards.
The point of posting this? I think it's to ask that we all call these people out at the time no matter how deluded they are about the rights given to them by their admittedly stunning running CV. It should and does mean nothing when we're racing.
Karma will get them eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by geronimo
I was less than impressed by the runner who ripped off their cow tape and discarded it at the side of the path on the descent from Ingleborough. Good job I was there to pick it up.
Yes I totally agree with you on this Mark. It is quite clear and concise in the wording under code of conduct on page 18 of the FRA Handbook.
I.e FELL RUNNERS
You should: Treat all others with the same respect and fairness that you wish to receive.
I think that is a good starting point. However the runner in question may well not be a member of the FRA and be completely unaware of the fact.
That's why I think that it is important for all competitors in the sport should be encouraged to join the FRA so that best practice and conduct can be maintained and perhaps be improved upon.
Maybe it would be a good idea for the FRA to promote the organisation at some of the major events ?
Name and shame I say.Selfish people like this have no place in fell running.
Mmmh. Well I don't know who this terrible "she" is but whenever, say, Victoria Wilkinson or Helen Berry or Katie Walshaw arrive behind me in a race at a stile I always let them go past me.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark Smith
They must have been pretty lost before that to be arriving behind you at a stile! ;-)
I agree to an extent, there may be FVETS going for a category win and fast pass may be appropriate, if you are a senior male stuck back in this queue then you should have trained harder!
Its good when race organisers let you start an hour or two early so you get back at a sensible time and get chance to run with other people Graham. Presume Brett will allow you set off at say 4pm this evening and time yourself? I think its dark about 9 nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
Well DT I've got my head torch ready, just in case, but in my experience "sweepers", and I've met a few, are some of the nicest people in fell running and, like you and me, they don't take this fell running lark too seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Mmmh Graham you find this sort of behaviour acceptable ? Or does it just depend who said runner is, personally I think the rules/etiquette should apply to everyone equally.
Is it fell running in general that is turning in to a right moaning and miserable sport, or is it just this forum and the FB page??
If you're missing the Hill Inn cut-off by 5mins or less, the only person you need to take a look at is yourself. Those who queued for 5mins won't necessarily have lost 5mins. How much quicker did you climb Whernside as a result of having a nice rest at the bottom? Do you think it was just queuing that 'lost' you time or was it your ability across boggy ground, up steep climbs, and down wet,snowy descents? People are too quick to lay the blame instead of improving themselves first and foremost. The organisers do an excellent job but can't be expected to account for all last minute alterations by perhaps well-intentioned farmers. And as for adding 5mins to the Hill Inn cut-off, what about those who weren't necessarily held up, but faded across Whernside and then missed the cut off, they'd get an unfair advantage in being allowed through and would only fade badly across Inglebugger
Anyone operating within the spirit of the sport would just put it down to lessons learned and move on.
Oh so do I, so do I. Has anyone mentioned carrying kit yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heaning Hobbler
Blimey now that is taking fell running too seriously! I agree with the cut offs by the way, it's a popular event and it's good to try and ensure that the field is more or less up to the task but, in circumstances like this, it can't hurt to show a bit of flexibility. Yes runners may have benefited from a brief rest at the wall crossing but, especially on a climb like Whernside, if you're struggling it'll be more down to your legs than your lungs and the brief rest is unlikely to speed up your climb and compensate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChevinbyTorchlight
What's really ironic is that when runners make the final cut off at hill inn they can actually take it easy, or even walk in. A runner can easily take a breather at that point, theoretically half an hour or so if they want, and amble to the finish. Some other runner 2 minutes outside the cut off can see all these other runners still milling about at the checkpoint. Again the line has to be drawn somewhere but a five minute add on would have been mightily appreciated in the curcumstances
I was an about 45 mins in front of this issue and wasn't personally affected by it but it still feels selfish and yeah, I'll moan about it because it's bloody arrogant to run past people and push in. The cut off issue is different.
That's what I said. I was affected by the queue but I just said well next year I'll get there quicker and then I've got more time to be under the cut off...onwards & upwards!Quote:
Originally Posted by ChevinbyTorchlight