Has CL answered this question yet? - Are you proud to be british...BUT...you cannot say anything other than YES or NO.;)
I am!
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Has CL answered this question yet? - Are you proud to be british...BUT...you cannot say anything other than YES or NO.;)
I am!
My own list for the wisdom of CL is:
1) Full Squats
2) Wobble Boards
3) Warm-ups
4) Swiss Balls
5) BNP
6) Sports Nutrition
7) Lance Armstrong
8) Veganism
9) Homosexuality
10) Goats
My turn
My turn first
1. The Nhs - Good
2. Mobile Phones - Good
3. Marmite - The BEST
4. Disqualifications For Lack Of Kit In Fell Races - Good
5. The Current Uk Government - Poor
6. The Geneva Convention - Could be better
7. Pol Pot (when He Was In Power) - Shocking?
8. Sperm Whales - Good
9. The Book captain Corelli's Mandolin - Never Read It
10. Windows Vista - Never used it!!!
Same as Stagger, only i've seen the film Captain Corelli's Mandolin, oh, and i've been to Kefalonia, it's beautiful;) No marmite there though:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
I'm proud to be British but am anti-Marmite and anti-Goatlove :cool:
Below are my reponses. :p
Thankfully I didn't assert that all things are good or evil, otherwise I would now be unable to respond like CL appears to be.
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Originally Posted by nikalas
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Originally Posted by derby Tup
what?
There are no shades of grey when it comes to Marmite mate :cool:
Thsi getting all yin and yangy
http://www.fengshuihelp.com/Images/yin_yang.gif
For example, as I learned from watching QI the other night, Hitler (more evil than good I'd say) was very anti fox hunting,which could be considered good by some... although probably not me as I now lean more towards the pro than against lobby. Does that me more evil than Hitler? :rolleyes: :D
He was also vegetarian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
You can't be more evil than Hitler, you are either evil or good. There is no such thing as grey.:rolleyes:
Maybe you should have added Said Aoiuta to the list and then you could have got somewhere perhaps with the issue of hypocrisy and CL:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by nikalas
Have to agree with this - the exception to prove the rule ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
What's going on? It's all a bit 'mad moment.'
It is only in relation to a living entity that something can be good or evil. That doesn't mean it is subjective or grey, which is what the loaded questions on the other posts imply. The context is also important.
One example will suffice: I like peanuts. They are a source of nutrition for me and are therefore good. To some though they are evil, because they cause an allergic reaction, that can and will kill them.
This example is a fact that cannot be changed by anyone's feelings(subjectivism). It is therefore objective.
Based on all that I'll now answer the LOADED questions in the way they deserve.
1)EvilQuote:
Originally Posted by noel
2)Good
3)Good
4)Good
5)Evil
6)Evil
7)Evil
8)Context
9)Don't know
10)Good
Window's Vista good?
Extremely interesting.
1) Good for whimps, turns them into Men.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikalas
2) Insanely evil, made for whimps.
3)Evil. What do you want to warm up for. Cheetahs don't and they run 7 and 1/2 times faster than whimps.
4)Evil! who wants to roll around on a ball used to suppress the freedom of No 6, except..........whimps.
5) Which aspects?
6)Evil! The whimps need to get bacon butties in them.
7)Evil! Especially when taking a shower.
8)Evil! They really do see animals as commodities. Then blame their lack of integrity on the tax-man.
10)Good! I love Mr Benn. Sounds a bit odd really, but you know what I mean.
There has to be in-betweens though. Take politics. People's opinions will differ depending on their viewpoint.
I thought Maggie was a great PM. But it isn't Black / White - she made mistakes - so in shade terms she would be a pale grey.
I thought Blair was a lousy PM - perhaps even evil:eek: so definitely an anthracite at least.
And then John Major - you only need to check out Spitting Image don't you:D
is it me or is there a deliberate fudge in this?Quote:
Originally Posted by christopher leigh
CL, I stand alongside you, marmite GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, come on CL you've dodged the one serious one.... in your simplistic world view is homosexuality good or evil?Quote:
Originally Posted by Antisocial
Perhaps he needs the originator to answer first what would your answers be to your questions?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikalas
And why choose that set of questions? Not trying to be contentious are you - shame on you nikalas:rolleyes:
Thanks for having the courage to provide answers. You're right it was a loaded question, designed to find things that would divide the audience and therefore show subjectivity in responses.Quote:
Originally Posted by christopher leigh
Your answers, however, do throw up one interesting observation. You consider the NHS evil, and yet you must have received healthcare from the NHS. By your own logic, you are therefore a hypocrit (and a wimp??), as much as Biara is, anyway.
I'd be interested to hear your take on my observation.
I clocked the marmite too. I have always maintained that CL is A GOOD EGG.
Yes, most of them were tongue in cheek. But seriously the homosexuality one, and CL's lack of response, clearly shows that not everything can be simply divided as good and evil. Thankfully we live in a pluralistic society not CL's black and white utopia. I don't have to give simplistic "good and evil" answers as that's not my world view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antisocial
Disagree to a lot of people that question is more black and white than most of the others. Though not all would say it. Me I am happy with grey also.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikalas
you still have not answered your questions in any shade - scared?
I actually think that the questions show a problem with our society. The BNP & Homosexuality are 2 typical "taboo" issues on which you are only allowed a voice if you conform.
So in that respect there is no grey - or at least it is not allowed or recognised - all grey is de facto black.
BNP - all walks of "respectable" society say evil/black so if anyone displays a glimmer of support for anything they do, or the slightest understanding for the BNP stance, then they are also evil/black.
Homosexuality - again Society is supposed to accept with open arms without question. It is as equally relevant and right as heterosexuality. Anyone expressing any degree of discomfort is labelled as a bigot - evil/black.
People should be able to debate these subjects openly and honestly whatever their views without being then subjected to the abuse that comes from the stance they take.
What about abortion? Black, White or Grey?
Grey - in varying shadesQuote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
Hopefully I'll satisfy Antisocial with this answer too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
BNP is inherently wrong in a modern pluralistic society and to most educated people as, at it's simplest level, it passes judgement on people based on race. However, and this is where the greyness comes in, if you believe in free speech then everyone, no matter how vile their message, has a right to be heard. It's just unfortunate at the moment, that due to the scrabbling for the middle ground by the major parties, some people are actually listening to them.
What is important to remember though, and this is the trouble I have with WP's post, is that the BNP is a choice, homosexuality is not.
In my book homosexuality is neither good nor evil but part of the incredibly diverse and wonderful human condition and therefore obviously something to be accepted. What possible reasons, except outdated and ridiculous literal scriptural interpretations, could there be for "discomfort" with it? It's part of our make-up as a species (and we're not the only ones) and as a society.
Sexuality is a prime example of a continuum trait with heterosexual and homosexual at either end and people falling at some point along the line ("greyness").
And the right to assisted suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
God CL, you're going to have your hands full by the time this thread has really got going.
Maybe we should put you in a bull ring and each in-turn throw a questino at you.
Has Nikalas really written a book about homosexuality?
Ha! Ha!, my own fault for using lazy language :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Margarine
Your observation is correct, but the logic isn't. In fact that paragraph sums up the fundamental flaw in your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
Biara supports state education. The fact that his wages are plundered to pay for it, doesn't occur to him. I on the other hand do not support the NHS. I recognise that my body isn't state property. Problem is, I'm forcibly taxed to pay for the NHS. Such taxation has left me at the mercy of the NHS, because I cannot afford to pay again for private health care. Therefore I accept NHS treatment. In fact morally, I'm more entitled to treatment than someone who does support the NHS, because I know it's moral premises are wrong.
Calling me a hypocrite is a moral judgement, but morality is a matter of choice. There is no choice when it comes to paying taxes.
One last point. I do not regard NHS workers on the whole as evil.
Yes tut,tut,tut only the uneducated would fail to agree with me!Quote:
Originally Posted by nikalas
The educated people that you talk about are nothing but whimp conformists, who've remembered everything and learnt nothing. They are incapable of taking an idea to it's roots, and deciding whether something is good or evil.
Science has many of such adherents. People who'll fix the data for a bit of extra government cash, whilst propagandising certain notions like global warming.(I've noticed they've been a bit quiet recently, what with all the snow).
Yes it is the so called educated people who have brought this country to its knees, and left the innocent at their mercy.
I've answered the homosexuality and BNP questions on this and an earlier thread. Recently I was accused of being a bigot by an 'educated' forumite(Longdogs), and reprimanded by the moderators.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
I therefore feel unable to honestly discuss this issue freely. Double that up with the possibility of some caveman crushing my skull with a club.
It's your logic not mine. To be fair, it probably shows my lack of understanding of your logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by christopher leigh
Yes, I'm sure Biara thinks that state education is funded by pixies.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by christopher leigh
Your mind is a wonderful place. I'd like to see you try that 'logic' at your local GP surgery.Quote:
Originally Posted by christopher leigh
That's probably for the best, 1.3 million people is a lot to call evil. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by christopher leigh
Oh @@@@, so that's where I've been going wrong. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
I've highlighted the key word. Global warming will lead to the British climate getting colder as the melting arctic ice causes the gulf stream to move South but Southern Europe will be desert like.Quote:
Originally Posted by christopher leigh
Anyway, that's another debate. Carry on...