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    Re: Makes you proud to be Brit

    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial View Post
    is it me or is there a deliberate fudge in this?
    Yes, come on CL you've dodged the one serious one.... in your simplistic world view is homosexuality good or evil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikalas View Post
    Yes, come on CL you've dodged the one serious one.... in your simplistic world view is homosexuality good or evil?
    Perhaps he needs the originator to answer first what would your answers be to your questions?

    And why choose that set of questions? Not trying to be contentious are you - shame on you nikalas

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    Re: Makes you proud to be Brit

    Quote Originally Posted by christopher leigh View Post
    Based on all that I'll now answer the LOADED questions in the way they deserve.
    Thanks for having the courage to provide answers. You're right it was a loaded question, designed to find things that would divide the audience and therefore show subjectivity in responses.

    Your answers, however, do throw up one interesting observation. You consider the NHS evil, and yet you must have received healthcare from the NHS. By your own logic, you are therefore a hypocrit (and a wimp??), as much as Biara is, anyway.

    I'd be interested to hear your take on my observation.

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    Re: Makes you proud to be Brit

    I clocked the marmite too. I have always maintained that CL is A GOOD EGG.

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    Re: Makes you proud to be Brit

    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial View Post
    Perhaps he needs the originator to answer first what would your answers be to your questions?

    And why choose that set of questions? Not trying to be contentious are you - shame on you nikalas
    Yes, most of them were tongue in cheek. But seriously the homosexuality one, and CL's lack of response, clearly shows that not everything can be simply divided as good and evil. Thankfully we live in a pluralistic society not CL's black and white utopia. I don't have to give simplistic "good and evil" answers as that's not my world view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikalas View Post
    Yes, most of them were tongue in cheek. But seriously the homosexuality one, and CL's lack of response, clearly shows that not everything can be simply divided as good and evil. Thankfully we live in a pluralistic society not CL's black and white utopia. I don't have to give simplistic "good and evil" answers as that's not my world view.
    Disagree to a lot of people that question is more black and white than most of the others. Though not all would say it. Me I am happy with grey also.

    you still have not answered your questions in any shade - scared?

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    I actually think that the questions show a problem with our society. The BNP & Homosexuality are 2 typical "taboo" issues on which you are only allowed a voice if you conform.

    So in that respect there is no grey - or at least it is not allowed or recognised - all grey is de facto black.

    BNP - all walks of "respectable" society say evil/black so if anyone displays a glimmer of support for anything they do, or the slightest understanding for the BNP stance, then they are also evil/black.

    Homosexuality - again Society is supposed to accept with open arms without question. It is as equally relevant and right as heterosexuality. Anyone expressing any degree of discomfort is labelled as a bigot - evil/black.

    People should be able to debate these subjects openly and honestly whatever their views without being then subjected to the abuse that comes from the stance they take.

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    Re: Makes you proud to be Brit

    What about abortion? Black, White or Grey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHeathens View Post
    What about abortion? Black, White or Grey?
    Grey - in varying shades

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witton Park View Post

    BNP - all walks of "respectable" society say evil/black so if anyone displays a glimmer of support for anything they do, or the slightest understanding for the BNP stance, then they are also evil/black.

    Homosexuality - again Society is supposed to accept with open arms without question. It is as equally relevant and right as heterosexuality. Anyone expressing any degree of discomfort is labelled as a bigot - evil/black.
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    Hopefully I'll satisfy Antisocial with this answer too...

    BNP is inherently wrong in a modern pluralistic society and to most educated people as, at it's simplest level, it passes judgement on people based on race. However, and this is where the greyness comes in, if you believe in free speech then everyone, no matter how vile their message, has a right to be heard. It's just unfortunate at the moment, that due to the scrabbling for the middle ground by the major parties, some people are actually listening to them.

    What is important to remember though, and this is the trouble I have with WP's post, is that the BNP is a choice, homosexuality is not.

    In my book homosexuality is neither good nor evil but part of the incredibly diverse and wonderful human condition and therefore obviously something to be accepted. What possible reasons, except outdated and ridiculous literal scriptural interpretations, could there be for "discomfort" with it? It's part of our make-up as a species (and we're not the only ones) and as a society.

    Sexuality is a prime example of a continuum trait with heterosexual and homosexual at either end and people falling at some point along the line ("greyness").

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