Brexit

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Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever

But regardless, 85% voted for parties committed to leaving the EU

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Oh that old chestnut is quoted so often.
Is that the same as 85% of the voters were commited to leaving the EU. Big jump from the 52% in the referendum.

You know as as well as anybody that the Labour surge was due to remainers thinking that voting Labour was the best chance of overthrowing brexit or a soft brexit. Something that corbyn has so successfully betrayed over the past two years. It is only in the last few weeks that Labour have finally start to reflect the opinions of the people that voted for them.

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Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry

She must pray to Sinn Fein every night for their abstainest policy, becasue without it their seven seats would have rended the DUP support worthless.

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Are they still the political wing of the IRA?

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Originally Posted by Llani Boy

Are they still the political wing of the IRA?

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Well the Provisional IRA no longer exists, so probably not.

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Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry

Oh that old chestnut is quoted so often.
Is that the same as 85% of the voters were commited to leaving the EU. Big jump from the 52% in the referendum.

You know as as well as anybody that the Labour surge was due to remainers thinking that voting Labour was the best chance of overthrowing brexit or a soft brexit. Something that corbyn has so successfully betrayed over the past two years. It is only in the last few weeks that Labour have finally start to reflect the opinions of the people that voted for them.

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I think the Labour surge had more to do with Mrs May cocking up the election campaign than anything else. At the start the Tories appeared to have a 20% lead. I don't think the people that changed their mind did so because they had suddenly become born again remainers.

You're missing my point. I obviously don't claim that 85% were in favour of leaving. But you mentioned that the Tories had failed to win an overall majority. I merely point out that Labour were committed to leaving too and had promised to leave the single market. Neither Tories, Labour, UKIP or DUP had pledged to implement staying in the Single Market and Customs Union. Other than UKIP the Tories were the most strident in leaving both. So that's my point, Boles' indignation at his Conservative colleagues is misplaced.

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Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry

Well the Provisional IRA no longer exists, so probably not.

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If that is the case I wonder who gave Witness O permission to name the Birmingham pub bombers.

So what do people think is the way forward? To me who is not morally offended by a customs union, it seems like Teresa May could just draft in some aspects of Ken Clark's plan, forget about the ERG and the DUP (as they'll not vote for her plan anyway) and get her amended plan through with the help of Labour.

I know this would be a massive political issue, but it seems the only solution that will win the majority of support from the house. MPs clearly won't allow a no-deal even if the conservatives switch leaders.

Thoughts? [light blue touchpaper and stand back]...

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Originally Posted by noel

MPs clearly won't allow a no-deal even if the conservatives switch leaders.

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It might become out of their hands. If the Commons can't agree on anything and the EU then refuses an extension then we leave without a deal. I still think that is unlikely (you're suggestion of what might happen is certainly possible) but as every day passes the chances of no-deal increases.

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Originally Posted by Llani Boy

If that is the case I wonder who gave Witness O permission to name the Birmingham pub bombers.

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No idea.

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Originally Posted by noel

This is all getting a bit "the world according to WP". I see this report and think it shows young people are finding it harder to buy a first house relative to 20 years ago. You seem to be disagreeing. I can't understand your basis for this.

My original point was nothing to do with minimum wage or the numbers going to university. Maybe we need a separate thread for these? I notice we're already into a tangent from the main thread - Brexit.

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How old are you Noel? When we bought houses back in the eighties interest rates went from an eyepopping 10 percent all the way to a stratospheric 15 It is ridiculous to say it is harder now!

With the excessive flood of cheap money that is harming the world economy, interest rates are now tiny, and 95 percent mortgages everywhere. It is easier now to buy property than it has ever been. The change is the "jam today" lifestyle of youngsters who "want it all now" so refuse to scrimp and save a deposit and demand a houseful of good things from day one. "entitlement" is the new mantra.

Central banks are prescribing ever more of the medicine that made the patient sick in the first place in 2004-2007. The problem is the economy has withdrawal symptoms. Just like heroin. Cheap money no longer does any good indeed it is actually toxic, but removing it is even more toxic and will result in total implosion and default.

If global macroeconomics interest you check out the difference between US 3 and 10 year treasuries which has gone negative, which only happens at very special times. The last two times that happened is prior to 2000 bubble popping and prior to 2007 bubble popping. The everything bubble is shortly to burst. Buy gold and farmland is my suggestion.
Need I say more?

Is it not a case of affordable houses and jobs with decent pay are not in the same area?