Brexit

[Wheeze]

I love how those sound bites are now coming back to bite those that said them.
"Leave means leave"....except it doesnt if you are a whitehall politician.
"No Deal is better than a bad deal".....well, yes it is unless you are locked in a death struggle with an intransigent Barnier and a self interested party!

[Stolly]

One things for sure, the conservatives are being ukipised from within. At this rate they’ll be a (much smaller) hard right party which could just wither on the vine over time. They need a sensible middle ground, even if that means remain sympathisers, to stand any chance of retaining their broad appeal of old.

[Muddy Retriever]

One things for sure, the conservatives are being ukipised from within. At this rate they’ll be a (much smaller) hard right party which could just wither on the vine over time. They need a sensible middle ground, even if that means remain sympathisers, to stand any chance of retaining their broad appeal of old.

I agree that they need to be a broad church to attract as much support as possible but that does require Conservative remainers to respect the result of the referendum and accept that sometimes you don't get what you want. I cannot understand what exactly Nick Boles was so riled about. Most of his Conservative colleagues rejected his Norway plus idea. But since this plan would totally betray the referendum result and goes completely against the 2017 Conservative manifesto that he was elected under why was he so surprised?

[DrPatrickBarry]

and goes completely against the 2017 Conservative manifesto that he was elected under why was he so surprised?

I suppose it has something to do with the fact that the people did not give the Tories a parliamentary majority to implement it.

[Stolly]

I agree that they need to be a broad church to attract as much support as possible but that does require Conservative remainers to respect the result of the referendum and accept that sometimes you don't get what you want. I cannot understand what exactly Nick Boles was so riled about. Most of his Conservative colleagues rejected his Norway plus idea. But since this plan would totally betray the referendum result and goes completely against the 2017 Conservative manifesto that he was elected under why was he so surprised?

Have a look at at Nick Boles’ twitter feed though - when I looked this morning 90% of the comments were along the lines of calling him “scum”, a “traitor” and wishing him “good riddance”. That’s not the language of what I imagine to be your typical Tory voter

[Muddy Retriever]

I suppose it has something to do with the fact that the people did not give the Tories a parliamentary majority to implement it.

They were still the largest party and with the DUP did have a parliamentary majority. Not forgetting that Labour pledged to end free movement of people in its manifesto. They certainly didn't say that they wanted a "customs arrangement" with the EU. They only committed to that after the election.

I don't understand how retaining membership of both the single market and customs union can be compatible with honouring the referendum result. We aren't able to recover control of our laws and borders, we can't negotiate any trade deals and we can't remove tariffs on imported food. It is not a compromise but staying in the EU in all but name except now we would have no say in what happens while before we had a small amount.

What made me laugh was one of the indicative votes for a confirmatory vote on whatever proposal the Commons agreed on. So that might mean a referendum between the Norway plus option and Remaining. It is hard to believe that anybody can truly think that is anything but farcical and illegitimate.

[Muddy Retriever]

Have a look at at Nick Boles’ twitter feed though - when I looked this morning 90% of the comments were along the lines of calling him “scum”, a “traitor” and wishing him “good riddance”. That’s not the language of what I imagine to be your typical Tory voter

It isn't. I am a typical Tory voter and I would never hurl such abuse at him or anybody else I disagreed with.

If he is receiving this then that is totally vile but it doesn't make his position logical.

[DrPatrickBarry]

They were still the largest party and with the DUP did have a parliamentary majority.

She must pray to Sinn Fein every night for their abstainest policy, becasue without it their seven seats would have rended the DUP support worthless.

[noel]

All the socialist knee jerk reactions, from making letting more onerous for landlords ( so increasing cost, reducing supply) to making employment more onerous for employers ( increasing unemployment and casual work, ask Spain) to raising taxes ( so reducing tax collected) all achieve the opposite of what these clueless ideologues claim.

But I'm not a socialist and neither are you. So what are you suggesting as a way to tackle the housing crisis? Equally I don't blindly follow the capitalist dogma "the market is always right".

[Muddy Retriever]

She must pray to Sinn Fein every night for their abstainest policy, becasue without it their seven seats would have rended the DUP support worthless.

But regardless, 85% voted for parties committed to leaving the EU and none of them suggested the Norway plus option as a means of leaving. So why is Boles so upset with his colleagues for refusing to endorse something directly opposite to what they had promised to do at the 2017 election?