New political party?

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

The Tories only resigned on one policy matter. I'm not sure they resigned because of the constant abuse from Rees-Mogg.

In fact it has been Soubry giving out the abuse to her own rather than taking it from her own.

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I seem to remember Tory remain MPs being called traitors, it's amazing how short people's memory can be.

A Conservative MEP has come under fire for suggesting that Britain’s Treason Act should be updated to apply to citizens who are “working undemocratically against UK through extreme EU loyalty”.

and he is not the only one.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eme-eu-loyalty

Not to mention all of the nutcase newspaper editors.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-42067386
Oh yes the mail.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...B4UXBugV4u1Yiz

I think it’s ok so long as you class them as “Enemies of the people” first.

I have two observations.
First , highlighting or comparing the use of word "traitor" on few occasions, implies a lack of study of just how nasty , vitriolic, relentless, and ubiquitous the language used by militant left has been (and momentum in particular) against allthose MPs it considers "traitors". The word traitor is pleasant in comparison.

Secondly. The UK is clearly negotiating with an institution intent on doing it harm as confirmed by both the rhetoric, and actions ,of those representing EU which has been shameful. The backstop has disturbing parallels with the annexation of Austria and grants EU powers never granted by any country that was not first the loser of an armed conflict.
So the EU is more than arguably an "enemy" in dictionary definition. In any war any faction fighting or debilitating our own forces or assisting the enemy is certainly treason. So the language is strong but " traitor" does have some rational justification in the context it was used.

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Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry

I seem to remember Tory remain MPs being called traitors, it's amazing how short people's memory can be.

A Conservative MEP has come under fire for suggesting that Britain’s Treason Act should be updated to apply to citizens who are “working undemocratically against UK through extreme EU loyalty”.

and he is not the only one.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eme-eu-loyalty

Not to mention all of the nutcase newspaper editors.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-42067386
Oh yes the mail.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...B4UXBugV4u1Yiz

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Originally Posted by Oracle

I have two observations.
First , highlighting or comparing the use of word "traitor" on few occasions, implies a lack of study of just how nasty , vitriolic, relentless, and ubiquitous the language used by militant left has been (and momentum in particular) against allthose MPs it considers "traitors". The word traitor is pleasant in comparison.

Secondly. The UK is clearly negotiating with an institution intent on doing it harm as confirmed by both the rhetoric, and actions ,of those representing EU which has been shameful. The backstop has disturbing parallels with the annexation of Austria and grants EU powers never granted by any country that was not first the loser of an armed conflict.
So the EU is more than arguably an "enemy" in dictionary definition. In any war any faction fighting or debilitating our own forces or assisting the enemy is certainly treason. So the language is strong but " traitor" does have some rational justification in the context it was used.

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Perspective is a wonderful thing. One person's traitor is another person's hero, just as one person's enemy is another person's ally.

BTW, I agree the left wing of the labour party is more militant (aggressive, belligerent) than the right wing of the conservative party. But as someone who supports neither of them, I see them as no less extreme.

Also, I'm starting see how your persona is developing. Maybe I should start a Citizen Smith-style persona to bring some sort of balance.

I think left and right are overused and imprecise labels which mean only what the author wants them to mean.
Sections of both main parties are against immigration as a cultural dilution, not just a population size issue. So does that qualify those apparent far left labour heartlands as far right?
It is also true that the swastika was once the emblem an authoritarian socialist! so tjerefore left? regime. The more I see of Corbyns labour the more I see fascism: that is a centralist autocracy that does not tolerate any dissent, with only the illusion of democracy, and intimidation the method of control. The labels are all messed up.

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Originally Posted by noel

Perspective is a wonderful thing. One person's traitor is another person's hero, just as one person's enemy is another person's ally.

BTW, I agree the left wing of the labour party is more militant (aggressive, belligerent) than the right wing of the conservative party. But as someone who supports neither of them, I see them as no less extreme.

Also, I'm starting see how your persona is developing. Maybe I should start a Citizen Smith-style persona to bring some sort of balance.

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Originally Posted by Oracle

It is also true that the swastika was once the emblem an authoritarian socialist! so tjerefore left? regime. The more I see of Corbyns labour the more I see fascism: that is a centralist autocracy that does not tolerate any dissent, with only the illusion of democracy, and intimidation the method of control. The labels are all messed up.

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It's an interesting point, I've often thought that the far left and the far right have much in common. The full name of the Nazis was the National Socialist German Workers Party after all, which sounds pretty lefty to me. Those on the far right are not free martketeers, their views on state ownership are remarkably similar to the left and they display the same intolerance of certain groups. In the case of Corbyn's Labour party it just happens to be Jews. The BNP would approve. In fact when Corbyn's comments about "zionists not understanding English irony" were reported this summer he was commended by the BNP's ex-leader Nick Griffin and the former leader of the Klu Klux Klan. I guess they know a kindred spirit when they see one.

And Godwin has landed

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that does not tolerate any dissent

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I wish more would remember this sentiment when telling people to shut up and get over it.

Long description here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Short answer, if a “discussion” like this goes on long enough someone inevitably brings the nazis into it.

We’re basically a couple of pages before we get to direct comparisons between Corbyn, Hitler and probably Stalin.