YES! No more SQUOZEN TOES!!! Insider, please pass this on to the decision- and shoe-makers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogrunner
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YES! No more SQUOZEN TOES!!! Insider, please pass this on to the decision- and shoe-makers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogrunner
My Orocs are waiting for me to pick up!! If I can get to Duddan they may get there first run;)
Which version did you go for?
I've a pair of each to try on but will almost certainly be going for the mudclaw varient. Not seen them yet or the colour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inov-8 Insider
The OROC 280Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
OROC 340 HERE
It shows the Endurance rubber logo on the product page but infact the OROC sole is a combination of both Endurance & Sticky rubber.
The outer edge studs are Sticky rubber, the square studs that hold the Tungsten Carbide "Dobs" is Endurance rubber.
From what I understand this is the first time a dual compound rubber sole has been available on a off road shoe.
Now in possession of my 340's, heel looks better than other models and although they feel a bit on the heavy side i can cope with that. They feel very comfortable though.
I'll use them at Borrowdale and in two weeks on the DP BG. Report to follow
How are people finding Orocs? Or is it too early to say, as they seem to be 'grip anything' shoes designed with winter in mind?
What is the point of the dob's and how hard wearing are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Inov-8 Insider
ian Dp said " Now in possession of my 340's, heel looks better than other models and although they feel a bit on the heavy side i can cope with that. They feel very comfortable though.
I'll use them at Borrowdale and in two weeks on the DP BG. Report to follow "
still waiting for that report Ian, surely you,ve got nothing else to do ?
Your wish is........etc, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by creaky
Fresh in from swimming but daughter still wants to play so briefly here goes...
Those at Borrowdale will know it was very wet and claggy
Yes they felt heavy but comfortwise i found them excellent. After getting used to the clicking when running I found that descending loose gravely paths and steep grass they were very good, same on the climbs.
Crossing some of the big boulders of Scafell/Gable etc I found they were no worse than my mudclaws and on occasion were better. Polished flat rock though they were worse but you can't have every thing. The build quality seems better but only time will tell. I think they will be a superb winter show where mixed snow and ice on paths need the extra grip. Perfect for a winter BG
Too heavy for the serious racer though
I assume you are ignoring my question but it still stands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inov-8 Insider
I don't understand the relevance of the metal dobs (think that what you called them, on any shoe of this type not just inovs) what is the advantage and in what conditions and what, when and how might they cause a disadvantage( again the metal dob not the inov shoe) - if you cannot answer is there someone into orienteering on here that can?
TRY HERE:D
Thanks Ian just wondered how you found them used in anger. "Too heavy for the serious racer though " . Not a problem for me then. I used to wear orienteering shoes with dob spikes in, the grip was good in mixed terrain , particularily on wet wood (orienteering) BUT on any hard surface they killed the bones in my feet eventually gave them up for that reason. Also as you said on flat greasy rock they can be lethal ( you would expect them to grip but you just get a nasty screech as you skid (like fingernails on a blackboard). The extra weight penalty is probably not worth it in my opinion ( can't get on with the talons , too narrow) if other shoes are similar in grip . As you said may be excellent for winter icy paths..
antosocial.
there is some comment here http://forum.nopesport.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10808 about dobs esp onov,s. really reiterates what i have said. main advantage is on wet wood ( brashings), which you can get a lot of on o courses.
As a swedish orienteerer I can say that "no dubs" shoes like the 212 are getting more and more popular. But I stil belive that most orienteerer have a metal dub shoe as well.
Depend on the terrain what you use.
The biggest advantage is on dead fallen trees, like this:
http://www.ale.naturskyddsforeningen.se/rapenskar1.jpg
All non metal dubs shoes are deadly on this. If you run without dubs you need to think all the time: do not step on dead trees. Yes, in swedish forrest you see fallen trees a lot.
Mainly an ex-orienteerer here. I use Jalas Blacks, a Finnish o-shoe, with metal tips, or dobs to use the bloody effeminate terminology! In addition to grip on trees, these are invaluable at running on ice or hard-pack snow. I was out running on icy paths this winter with confidence while all around were on the treadmills. A hard ride underfoot when the ice melts though!
On polished stone, yeah you might so flying in Dobbed shoes, but they are great for wet rough rock slabs up the hills or rock hopping. You know if you put your foot on a rock/tree that the foot will stay put and not fly off in some random direction. And yes they were brilliant during the cold snap! They are also a good on roots on trails.
If the Dobbs hurt your feet have a look at the Icebugs as their Dobbs retract a little so you dont sound like a tap dancer running down a road. Dear though.
Do you have a UK link for the icebugs?Quote:
Originally Posted by OrienteerEd
I used/use the original Inov-8 dobbed shoes over the winter, found the grip on ice and snow to be fantastic and a potential lifesaver on the high fells. I can't say I noticed much disadvantage once below the snow line in them either.
Only problem was many of the tungsten spikes fell out ripping the studs, I should return them, it's supposedly cured on the new ones.
I wouldn't be without a pair for winter now though.