Very interesting program - better than 95% of what is normally on.
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Very interesting program - better than 95% of what is normally on.
3/4 of the way through. Don't spoil the ending. Very good so far.
KK
Good show. I'd have voted "for" the application. Looking at the panel, I wasn't surprised by their decision though.
KK
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Originally Posted by Keswick_Krumble
Really interesting program, I'm with you there KK, a "for" for me too, a bit sad towards the end, looked like Mark lived his life to the full, guess you can ask no more than that.
Andy
I would have said "no" because of the extra traffic on those narrow/steep roads, not the zip-wire itself.
Maybe they could have built a zip wire to the zip wire, alleviating the traffic problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
I've not seen the programme yet, I'll try and watch it tomorrow but was there a plan to:Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
a) Get the people to the top of the Pike?
b) Get the zip wire trollies to the top of the pike?
I've worked on zips before and the only way to actually make money is to keep a high usage rate up
I've just come back from Canada and went on a superb zip-wire down Whistler mountain. This was a more hidden location due to the the trees but was still visible and didn't detract from the landscape (a small wire is hard to spot). Thoughout the journey (5 zip wires in all) we were told about the environment and what the zip-wire firm do to protect it. Maybe this was an angle that the scheme in the Lakes missed out on? In Whistler the firm actually gifted some of their profit back into environmental projects. More details here http://www.ziptrek.com/whistler-canada/sustainability
Agree with many - a riveting watch was the programme.
It's classical conservation public sector - refuse it all, the likes of English Nature justifying their own future by putting the blinkers on and prosecuting.The LDNP committee - again classical, repeated all over the country, as blinkered and narrow minded as anything - they'll be ok though with there £10k plus expenses bill each year. Get rid of them all and centralise the whole system - NPA's, FC, EA, CCW, EN, etc.etc.........
Refreshingly Antur Stiniog in Blaenau Ffestiniog recently had their application for world class downhill mountain bike tracks approved by Gwynedd council - after multiple years of applying - I doubt whether the humbugs at the Snowdonia NPA would have followed suit.
Regards the programme - is that Richard Pearce (Friends of Lake District) a fell runner - sure I've seen him around??
As a local the whole issue is tough, but I like to keep things simple. Mountains should be tackled up or down under your own steam - if you can't do it, dont' go there.
The 'honey pots' of Grasmere etc show what's really on the cards when you make somehwere like the Lake District 'user friendly'. The infrastructure can't handle for any further increase in activity. I appreciate tourism brings a lot of much needed employment to this area but something that sticks in my throat a little is the number of tourist businesses run and owned by 'outsiders' who have had the capital to set up here in the first place by selling up and moving from somehwere much more expensive and much less lovely.
Mark Weir was his own man - fine. Live along the lines he did and accept the risks that go with it. We all make our own choices. I dont' think this has anything to do with the Zip wire issue. I disagreed with it when he was alive (and flying over my house everyday in his helicopter) and his death has nothing to do with the question at hand.
WHile I'm on the subject too, that Julia Bradbury bird should be hung, drawn and quartered for what she's done to the hills in the last few years.
There. Better now. :p
well said Daisy, spot on I reckon.
Couldnt agree more Daisy, sadly i think you have left yourself open to attack from the fawning band of Bradburyettes on here who wont have a word said against the slapperQuote:
Originally Posted by daisy
I suspect some rocks will be coming your way Daisy - you will be able to build your own hill to do reps on!
did you see the effect she had on that volcano in Iceland?!!
No rocks from me for Daisy either - I can't stand Bradbury. And don't get me started on Matt Baker...
Right. I'm outta here - please redirect all abuse/rocks etc to somewhere else...think my pooter was momentarily taken over by some kind of radical poltergeist who had a long neck and has stuck it out way too far!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
Laters!!:w00t:
You are safe for a while Daisy. Similiar to Muslims they pray to an effigy of Julia 5 times a day but as soon as prayers are over you better watch out, the troglodytes will be all over this thread like a rashQuote:
Originally Posted by daisy
Daisy
I thought it was just me that (1) couldn't see what all the fuss was about and (2) objected to what her programms were likely to cause!
Just imagine if the zip-wire descended in to a massive model of Bradbury's head... hurtling towards her face, zipping in through one of her nostrils and being deposited direct in to the gift shop where you can buy slate effigies of the fell-witch. That's a business model that's ticking all the planning boxes.
The 'gift shop' bing a euphemism for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
Um... whatever you want. Although I was more thinking of an actual gift shop.
you could exit through the gift shop as an allegory for how the whole event leaves you 'reborn'Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Head
Apologies Hank, i had a bit of a Keith Lemon moment thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Hank
That's the voodoo power of Bradbury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Head
Totally agree. I occasionally catch a few moments of her show, Does she really believe that you have to carry a stone up to put on a Cairn, I reckon some one is winding her up and she's fallen for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by daisy
It's also repeated tonight on BBC4 at 8pm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny Beast
I must admit that the charms of Bradbury have wore off. Watched the volcano thing on sunday and I found her constant acting of surprise and fear very irritating.
As for the Zip Wire, I think the right decision has been made. When Mark Weir said it would bring much needed jobs what he mostly meant is that it would bring him much needed cash.
Do you mean more people finding out how nice hills are, and going up and down them like us?Quote:
Originally Posted by karen nash
It is a difficult one I know, but I do struggle with the balance between conservation and evangelism.
Agreed - very difficult; if JB is out of order, what about AW's legacy? He himself did not want to see more people in the hills, yet his life's work guaranteed they would come. Like many people, I usually carry one of his books when out walking - but for his books, I doubt I would have visited the Lakes more than once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mud
Oh marvellous - A Bradbury rebellion!
And 'more people finding out how nice hills are...?' - there comes a point (well past that point round here too, I can tell you) when teh people finding out how 'nice' it is in Lakeland make it impossible to experience how 'nice' it is in Lakeland. e.g the queue (probably visible from space) of people crocodiling it up Haystacks last year...
Mountain rescue aren't too impressed locally either; they're getting more and more calls along the lines of: "It's not as sunny as it was on TV when Julia did it, and we're tired now. How long til you can get us off?"
Look at a picture book of Cumbria - it's a gorgeous place and then make up your own mind if you actually want to slog it up there... Julia bouncing around on a summit tells nothing like a true story.
Oh golly, it's not even half 8! What am I doing here!!!!!!:confused:
Oh and don't even get me started on AW :w00t:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
You'll be promoting that old druggie WW next!!
As a qualified psychologist, Hank, this little outburst is really quite alarming :w00t: .... and totally brilliant :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
Sick, man. Very very sick.
Daisy you are on the fast track to becoming a Master....or should that be mistress......??Quote:
Originally Posted by daisy
I feel slighted! If only there were an annoying, occasionally amusing, slightly unhinged, provocative, enigmatic and controversial member of the forum who would stand up to the "bullies" on behalf of me and my fellow down-trodden forum members...
Graham B, your time has come...!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
Ah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
Mud,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mud
I have a dilemma.
Is the FRA Chairman allowed to have a favourite poster?
(He has some very unfavourite ones but he doesn't have a problem with that).
Graham B
it's not me?? :( you've crushed my dreams...... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
As has been said - difficult. If I had been in that crocodile, did I have a greater right to be there than those around me? - and those who found it difficult to get up/turned back/called for help will have learned a lot about themselves and wilderness areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by daisy
Not difficult at all - as a fellrunner you have a god-given right to go wherever you please on the fells, and the closer you live to the Lakes the more right you have to complain about everyone else doing the same thing. Similarly, as fellrunners we have the right to drive to races along little valley roads in our hundreds, but also to complain about anyone else driving along the same road for other leisure activities. Hope that helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
I'm a bit disappointed that none of the worshippers at the shrine of Bradbury have come on to honourably defend their heroine.... now Ellie Harrison, she can do no wrong :wink: