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Yes here. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Antisocial
I hope you get it sorted soon.
Heres a question ,why has PF become one of the most common running injuries ?
ive had it since july . hurts in morning but goes off during day . bit cruel , because the minute you think its going it comes back with a vengence . £ 200 custom insoles are my next solution ( tried off the shelf , worked but didnt cure it completely ) buy a racing bike to keep fitness up . havent tried injections , apparently very painfull , but will go there as last resort . very annoying so many things i want to do .thinking of entering races , and iboprufening them !!!
if driving it makes it worse then i would strongly suggest someone look at your back. 60% of the PF i see is nerve related, if you irritate the nerve it can either send pain to your heel or send inflamatory changes to the tissue it innervates. is your calf / hamstring tight on the same side?Quote:
Originally Posted by Antisocial
Doesn't really sound like typical PF to me (localised pain under the arch of the foot in front of the heel bone, morning tenderness). It would be worth seeing someone about it before you go treating (or possibly mistreating) it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antisocial
Tim
[quote=runningfool;78055]Doesn't really sound like typical PF to me (localised pain under the arch of the foot in front of the heel bone, morning tenderness). It would be worth seeing someone about it before you go treating (or possibly mistreating) it yourself.
After reading up a bit more , I would agree, the pain is not worse in the morning and is tending to feel like a weakness in the inside and at the top of my arch and lower ankle. Stretches recomended for PF do seem to help and I can feel the ache in the PF muscle when doing this, ice seems to bring out a tender swelling over the heel end of the arch and a serious ache and it feels as if bruising is coming out though one has not materialised . As I have had so many problems of late related to my biomechanics, this may just be the latest. I shall book another physio appointment - I have all my salary converted into a standing order for his account anyway .
you may be better off seeing a podiatrist, to find the problem, as with a physio who helps mend the problem (when the injury is known). i had pf, running only a few miles when i started this nutty sport hurt like hell in the mornings, to now 2 years on and doing 50 miles a week with no pain. my insoles only cost 32 quid from the pod and work like a dream. ice, pain killers, frozen bottle of water on foot etc, did nothing for it.
What does this involve runningfool?Quote:
Originally Posted by runningfool
I've been injured with this for a month now. :(
I started getting this last year and I'd heard that if you scrunch your feet up as if you're making a fist with your foot it helps. I did this till I had violent cramp in my feet. Two things: I got used to the cramp pain; it helped. Changing my shoes helped too.
had it now for 5 months . only just starting to get better . several things have helped . insoles , superfeet are the best off shelf . steel toecap trainers instead of regulation workboots . stretching . strassburg sock . ice pack several times a day ( bag of peas ) iboprufen gel massaged into area that hurts . bought racing bike to keep fitness up . feel ready to do some short runs , and will give it a go in the new year . have sympathy for anyone who gets this , its a nasty injury .
Lilactime, so what worked then, or was it a case of desperate measures and time to chuck anything at it. Sympathy with anyone who has had this, sounds like a real bind to recover from.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilactime
i chucked everything at it , except expensive custom built insoles . still got it , buts its much better . insoles a must .
Superfeet (green,well fitted ) worked for me. They support the feet rather than trying to twist them into a new shape! I have bought ten pairs over as many years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brummy John
If it's only been a month it's probably a bit early for what is such a painful treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feet in the Cowclaps
The treatment involves having an accupuncture needled pushed through your plantar fascia (at its most tender spot) many times, right down the to bone. :eek: :eek:
It's the "down to the bone" part that has you breaking out in a cold sweat. It really is rather painful. ;)
The idea is that plantar fascia injuries tend to go "chronic" readily as it's hard to rest your plantar fascia. By poking a needle through the fascia repeatedly, you convert the chronic injury into an acute one which stimulates new blood vessels and all the good things that promote healing.
I had 4 treatment sessions at weekly intervals. During the treatment, my PF didn't feel much less painful but the area of tenderness in the sole of my foot seemed to get smaller each time. (It took longer for the physio to find the point of exquisite tenderness each time). Over the following 3-4 weeks, the pain reduced greatly and I was able to start running again. During this period I also got some orthotics (free off of the NHS) so I can't hand-on-heart say the the periosteal pecking was definitely the cure, but I'm pretty convinced it helped.
ive tried all the off the shelf insoles and i agree superfeet green are the best . i put these down to it actually getting better . i also think ice pack helps a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by codramble
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Originally Posted by runningfool
Thanks for the info. I hope I don't have to resort to that then! :eek:
ive just done something i should have done 6 months ago , i went to the doctor . he has sent me for physio 3 times a week , which involves ultrasound treatment , he says this should clear it up in weeks . he also is sending me to get some custom made nhs orthotics . told me to cycle to keep fitness up , or join a gym . but not to run until all symptoms have gone . also told me to keep wearing the sock . and he gave me some painkillers that are not iboprufen , they work so well there is no pain whatsoever , even so ive got to be cautios . all this for a couple of prescriptions . anybody with it get to your doctor .
I hope you get it sorted lilactime.
My doctor thought I had this and sent me off for an ultrasound scan to be sure, but the bloke who did the scan said it wasn't PF, as he couldn't see any inflammation. He thinks it could be a stress fracture or a trapped nerve, so the next step is to have an MRI scan. I just want to know why my foot hurts and to get back running again asap. :(
cowflaps , i too hope you get it sorted . mine is definately pf . its certainly better than it was , think the xmas break helped , at work im on my feet all day . i want to get running , really miss races , and theres so many i want to do . i will get there .
lilac - you running again?
I've had 11 sessions at the physio (ultrasound and massage), been stretching and swearing a lot at it and it doesn't seem to be any better than it was mid-November. Admittedly, I've only got a mild case of it (acc. to the MRI bloke), but I still can't shift it and running on it is still out of the question. :(
no still not running . although it is now much better . had ultrasound massage , ice pack , rolling golfball around area , ice packs and stretching . physio has warned me not to go running until no pain first thing in the morning . at the moment theres pain when i get up for about 5 mins ( compared to all day before physio ] just cycling and have joined local gym . wary about going running as i know how severe the pain can be , gonna take no chances and follow physios instruction to the book . hate to undo all the good work . thought you said yours might not be pf ? any way hope it heals soon .
It is pf, but I've never had pain in the morning.
Yes take it easy when you do start running again. For previous injuries physios have had me doing
30 seconds running / 30 seconds walking / 30 seconds running etc etc
for 5 minutes on day 1, 10 minutes on day 2, 15 minutes on day 3 etc etc until I could get up to 45 minutes. Then once up to 45 minutes, introducing 5 minutes non-stop running in the middle of it, which was then lengthened to 10 minutes the next time, 15 minutes etc etc
will follow that rule . thanks . been 6 months since i ran . but have put no weight on and still feel fit , but have been going it at the gym , and on the racing bike . but running is best . hoping to start running in april , going to miss snowdon race which ive done for last seven years , which im pissed off about , but will go and watch for a change . always thought main symptom of pf was pain in the morning , secially for the first few steps ? hence the night splints you can get .
Good luck guys. I've had it for over a year and a half now and its still bad. I gave up and just decided to jog on it but racing is not going to happen anytime soon. I've tried 3 cortisone injections now and a few grand in physio. I'm thinking about shockwave therapy soon. I'll let you know if it helps if you've gone past the 6 month point and are still struggling.
Oxo
Cheers Oxo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oxo Cube
I had shockwave therapy on my achilles tendon (same leg - could there be a link with pf? do I not do enough calf stretching maybe?) last year and it definitely helped. I hope it works for you.
blimey !!! ive had mine 6 months , but can see it going on probly tilll 2009 . hoping to run again by april , but if i have pain i wont bother. my next step is nhs custom orhotics , although nhs physio said superfeet green were ideal for my gait . not going to risk running as ive got some walking holidays in the summer and i dont want to mess these up . refuse to pay a physio , would sooner take up cycling than pay out lots of money .what does shockwave therapy involve ? also heard there is a last resort operation ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oxo Cube
Shockwave therapy is a bit like this. Though the physio I saw had a kind of gun that he shot the waves through. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by lilactime
I remember reading somewhere that the success rate of an operation was pretty low and not at all recommended....even as a 'last resort'.
I wouldn't mind hearing some success stories about pf. People who have had it and for whom it's just a thing of the past. A lot of people seem to be saying they either didn't get over it or at best it still flares up now and again.
I was cursed with this from 2003-2005. Can gladly say been OK since then, when I had some painful physio and started wearing Orthotics. I am not saying Orthotics are the 'be all and end all', but I've certainly been OK since.
Good luck getting back... NITF :)
I'm hoping it will be a thing of the past soon. Mine has been getting loads better recently. High arch orthotics is what is doing it for me. I tried them about 6 months ago and they helped but caused pains elsewhere so I took them out. Was racing for a while but then it went much worse than ever. This time the orthotics haven't caused any other problems and I wear them all the time walking or running or just going out for a beer. Running every day at the moment probably about 45 - 50 miles per week. Its slow and i'm a stone heavier than I was at my peak but i'm growing in confidence that i'll race properly again :-)
Woah! Good news!
I'm getting some orthotics next week. One pair for everyday shoes and one for running shoes. Let's hope they do the trick. I'll have to buy some neutral road shoes though, as I've only got ones for pronation/motion control (Mizuno wave Alchemy 7 were the last pair I got).
[QUOTE=Oxo Cube;107402]I'm hoping it will be a thing of the past soon. Mine has been getting loads better recently. High arch orthotics is what is doing it for me. I tried them about 6 months ago and they helped but caused pains elsewhere so I took them out. Was racing for a while but then it went much worse than ever. This time the orthotics haven't caused any other problems and I wear them all the time walking or running or just going out for a beer. Running every day at the moment probably about 45 - 50 miles per week. Its slow and i'm a stone heavier than I was at my peak but i'm growing in confidence that i'll race properly again :-)[/QUOTE
Does a lot for my confidence that Andy, you running slow, you still flew past me on the canal the other day !!
Think I need a Swaetshop Training Schedule ?
Not always the case FITC. Many people wear orthotics in support shoes. I wear mine in a mild support shoe. The best way to know is ask your podiatrist who should know what type of shoe he / she made them for. However some podiatrists don't seem to know so much about shoe technology anyway. If the podiatrist didn't make a recommendation feel free to bring them up to us at Sweatshop in Hyde and i'll take a look.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feet in the Cowclaps
Freddie I guess my steady running varies between very slow and my old steady run pace which I guess is at and decent pace but the problem is I can't do sessions. The sub 6 minute mile stuff is what gives me set backs because I get on my toes more and theres more pounding also.
:-)
Andy
Andy how much slower are you with an extra stone on you?By how much has your min/mile pace dropped?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oxo Cube
I could probaby get around a 10k in around 33:30 right now. A combination of the fact i've not done a session in long time and the extra weight. The extra weight probably slows me at the moment but my body might adapt.. or maybe i'll lose the weight again if I stay off the beer!
Thanks for that Andy, interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oxo Cube
I've had PF before (Ouch!), try this little trick to speed up recovery process:-
Get a hard/solid rubber ball (type that dogs chew or a golfball)and roll the sole of your damaged foot over it with as much pressure as you can bear - every evening before sleep or often as can.
The idea is to break up the scar tissue & stimulate bloodflow.
It hurts like Hell, but it worked for me (no pain/no gain!)...good luck.
I'm starting shockwave therapy next week. Let's hope it works.
FITC have you had the treatment yet? How was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feet in the Cowclaps
I have struggled with PF for over a year now, I think I may have beaten it this time. Had 3 months rest, not ran a step, just swimming and a bit of cycling. Have been working on drills that shorten my stride length and speed up cadence.
Did a week of drills/short barefoot jogging whilst on hols in Cornwall on the beach. Since then have done similar barefoot stuff on grass. Now able to get out on the roads/fells up to 3 miles at a time.
The shorter stride means more weight on my calves, which are really tired!! but I hope this will wear off as they strengthen.
Horrible injury :mad:
GA
I went yesterday. It was painful, so it must have done some good. :rolleyes: The physio is basically throwing everything at it - he followed the shockwave gun with 20 minutes' TENS electronic stimulation with a thing like this and then 15 minutes on another machine. Inbetween sessions I've got to do lots of calf stretching and the rolly ball thing that tonyvortex describes above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glass Ankles
It's encouraging to see that you're getting over it. I can't wait to be posting something similar, as, I agree, it's horrible and I've never known anything as hard to shift.