Managing erosion and numbers

I 've got a better solution, ban all the old farts who are slower and take more steps, that way the young 'uns like me Al and softie who float accross the ground with the flair and precision of ballet dancers will inflict less damage to the fells. :D back me up young guns, i think i'm onto something :D

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Originally Posted by mr brightside

I 've got a better solution, ban all the old farts who are slower and take more steps.

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But more speed equals greater impact on each step. The way forward is clearly to enforce walking-only fell races like those funny races where everyone minces about trying not to ever leave the ground. If we also wore some sort of large snowshoes, we'd barely leave any footsteps.

I can't think of anyone who would object to such a suggestion. After all, the preservation of footpaths should be more important than the sport.

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Originally Posted by mr brightside

I 've got a better solution, ban all the old farts who are slower and take more steps, that way the young 'uns like me Al and softie who float accross the ground with the flair and precision of ballet dancers will inflict less damage to the fells. :D back me up young guns, i think i'm onto something

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Don't include me on that. I get beaten by pretty much every category of vet, and after a night race last week, found myself getting beaten by a pair of little tikes too (12 & 13).:eek::(:o

Apparently, one of them is current BOFRA champion, which I take as a small consolation.

Ban everyone and we can all take up "Virtual Fell Running".... isn't that what most of the prolific posters do anyway? I can't see how they can fit any actual running in.

I feel we are fishermen patiently waiting by an empty lake. Will no-one bite? :(

Are people so inured to your flame-baits AS?

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Originally Posted by nikalas

Ban everyone and we can all take up "Virtual Fell Running".... isn't that what most of the prolific posters do anyway? I can't see how they can fit any actual running in.

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You've just got to slip in the odd post between runs;):D

just back from Bleaklow:)

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Originally Posted by nikalas

Ban everyone and we can all take up "Virtual Fell Running".... isn't that what most of the prolific posters do anyway? I can't see how they can fit any actual running in.

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:eek::rolleyes::D

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

You've just got to slip in the odd post between runs;):D

just back from Bleaklow:)

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That's right. I'm still out of breath after 10 miles with hill reps.

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Originally Posted by noel

I feel we are fishermen patiently waiting by an empty lake. Will no-one bite? :(

Are people so inured to your flame-baits AS?

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Been away - my what?

I think it is the other way round what was meant to be a humorous single post has a myriad of postings of different hues and an implied threat from UK Hursty and i wasn't even trying to wind anyone up. (This time)

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

Been away - my what?

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from wikpedia:

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Flamebait is a message posted to a public Internet discussion group, such as a forum, newsgroup or mailing list, with the intent of provoking an angry response (a "flame")...

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I think it more the poster in this instance that causes the upset, if tussockface had written it there would have been pages of amusing comment. Still I have learned a new word.

Solution - Ban all but those under 8 stone- that will solve the erosion problems and the numbers on the fells and leave it just for us few- so even a moniority interest get protected :)

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

Given the concerns about many new people coming into the sport and how this will affect numbers and the landscape

Also most of the field being 45+ they will be so addled following years on Timmy Taylors or Pendle Witches that as they will have no young uns to follow they will forge brand new routes in all directions in established races like Pendle.

What do people think?

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I take it this thread relates to the recent detours on the Tour of Pendle to eliminate the effects of erosion.
What about the erosion and destruction that nature itself causes which as shaped the landscape we know and love today, it makes a few trods and paths pail in to insignificance, and anyway when global warming annihilates the human race will it matter, within a few years it will have all returned to normal, only the other year there was a landslip on the Big end of Pendle what is a common phenomena on the hill and is known locally as a burst or brast i.e.: Burst or Brast Clough near Worston, and is thought to be caused by a buildup of water pressure within the limestone core and then becoming too strong for the grit stone to contain and bursts out to the surface, causing a torrent of water sweeping away anything in its path this made a big scar on the hill which could be seen for miles, it has now grassed over, and everything is back to normal.
What about the Quarry’s at Deerstone and the reservoirs at Ogden the Cart track the dry stone walls all manmade but are part of the landscape and actually enhance the area.
Maybe if the powers that be, like repair the Lakes projects stopped building unsightly pavements all over the place making the fells more and more assessable to more people that may solve the problem.

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Originally Posted by studmarks

I take it this thread relates to the recent detours on the Tour of Pendle to eliminate the effects of erosion.
What about the erosion and destruction that nature itself causes which as shaped the landscape we know and love today, it makes a few trods and paths pail in to insignificance, and anyway when global warming annihilates the human race will it matter, within a few years it will have all returned to normal, only the other year there was a landslip on the Big end of Pendle what is a common phenomena on the hill and is known locally as a burst or brast i.e.: Burst or Brast Clough near Worston, and is thought to be caused by a buildup of water pressure within the limestone core and then becoming too strong for the grit stone to contain and bursts out to the surface, causing a torrent of water sweeping away anything in its path this made a big scar on the hill which could be seen for miles, it has now grassed over, and everything is back to normal.
What about the Quarry’s at Deerstone and the reservoirs at Ogden the Cart track the dry stone walls all manmade but are part of the landscape and actually enhance the area.
Maybe if the powers that be, like repair the Lakes projects stopped building unsightly pavements all over the place making the fells more and more assessable to more people that may solve the problem.

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How is global warming going to annihilate the human race, humans and there predecessors have survived massive amounts of climatic sporadity during the last 500 000 years. When technology up until about 4500 years ago was limited to working of stone. Nature doesn't case destruction it only uses energy to move materials from one place and deposit them in another.

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Originally Posted by neil wootton

Nature doesn't cause destruction it only uses energy to move materials from one place and deposit them in another.

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Which is exactly what a runner or walkers shoe does when creating a trod or path?

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Originally Posted by nikalas

Ban everyone and we can all take up "Virtual Fell Running".... isn't that what most of the prolific posters do anyway? I can't see how they can fit any actual running in.

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What we need is a Wii runner thingy...although how you could mimic fell running conditions in the front room I'm not sure. :confused:

Maybe run in the shower , in front of a fan???
Could mess uo the screen though.:(

maybe an add on to the proposed Feet in the Clouds film.:cool:

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Originally Posted by southernsoftie

I'm with Splatcher: population control is the future. We should stop trying to cure everything and insulating people from the world's risks so they don't die:D

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Perhaps the FRA could do its bit by withdeawing all compusory kit rules:rolleyes:
A sort of the survival of the fittest approach;)

Your legal defence would have to be Improving the species using an evolutionary approach:D

I can think of a few other things that cause erosion in the hills, other than fell runners....

http://www.yourlocalweb.co.uk/images...mud-146429.jpg

http://image.4wheeloffroad.com/f/919..._stuck_mud.jpg

http://system.thestagcompany.com/med...quad-bikes.jpg

http://www.mountain-bike-cumbria.co....8/IMG_9925.jpg

what abut those who enjoy a good shoot

http://www.dpfr.org.uk/index.php#newsTabid541

feel free to complain

I know this is just a wind up thread by Aunt Sally but how about run races only 3 years out of 4, have a fallow year where we don't race??

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Originally Posted by biara

I know this is just a wind up thread by Aunt Sally but how about run races only 3 years out of 4, have a fallow year where we don't race??

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Huh? If the race is off the beaten track, a fallow year isn't needed and if its on the beaten track, 99% of the time the track is a well used walkers route.

The real answer is unfortunately worse still - the national trust or national parks authority will eventually turn all of the walkers paths into slabbed staircases :(

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Originally Posted by biara

I know this is just a wind up thread by Aunt Sally but how about run races only 3 years out of 4, have a fallow year where we don't race??

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I tend to do 3 months racing 9 months off - its called injury.

Another option of course is we only allow club runners to enter and give so many places to the club for each race. It would mean people would be more competitive in the clubs and train harder. We could also ensure that only A grade runners ran A races, B in B races etc. It would also stuff the Ponies which would not be a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

Another option of course is we only allow club runners to enter and give so many places to the club for each race. It would mean people would be more competitive in the clubs and train harder. We could also ensure that only A grade runners ran A races, B in B races etc. It would also stuff the Ponies which would not be a bad thing.

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... and kill the very thing that makes fell running so enjoyable and 'bureaucratic bollocks free'

Anyway if that happened the rest of us would just sort out our own non-eletist events and you'd end up with twice as many races.

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

It would also stuff the Ponies which would not be a bad thing.

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What makes you think that Antisally, we'd just go and do our own thing, like we do anyway, your a very unfriendly moody-pants tonight, what's up, looked in a mirror:eek::D

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I tend to do 3 months racing 9 months off - its called injury.

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It's called excuses:p

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... and kill the very thing that makes fell running so enjoyable and 'bureaucratic bollocks free'

Anyway if that happened the rest of us would just sort out our own non-eletist events and you'd end up with twice as many races.

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So then erosion would be all your fault?:)

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Originally Posted by merrylegs

What makes you think that Antisally, we'd just go and do our own thing, like we do anyway, your a very unfriendly moody-pants tonight, what's up, looked in a mirror:eek::D

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No not really - it was suggested elsewhere that this thread was a flamebait - which was not the intention, it was just meant to be a silly thread. however given the expectation for me to post "baiting" stuff I thought I had better be a martyr to the cause and keep Noel happy , it is nearly Xmas after all, and by doing this for him I am showing my nice side.

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Originally Posted by studmarks

Which is exactly what a runner or walkers shoe does when creating a trod or path?

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Natural processes do not cause destruction, It is human society that perceives natural processes as destructive. I see your point that we are only doing the same (moving materials around), but we are consciously aware of our actions and can prevent it if we so wish.:)

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

Been away - my what?

I think it is the other way round what was meant to be a humorous single post has a myriad of postings of different hues and an implied threat from UK Hursty and i wasn't even trying to wind anyone up. (This time)

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I apologise for the misinterpretation of my post. I was merely indicating that you were digging yourself into a hole with this debate, hence shovel/hole, but alas you had humorous intentions from the beginning, which many of us, including myself didn't initially pick up on. :cool:

Interesting choice of topic for sparking humour from, none the less. :eek:

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I apologise for the misinterpretation of my post. I was merely indicating that you were digging yourself into a hole with this debate, hence shovel/hole, but alas you had humorous intentions from the beginning, which many of us, including myself didn't initially pick up on. :cool:

Interesting choice of topic for sparking humour from, none the less. :eek:

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Apology accepted, though I don't apologise for deliberately misinterpreting your post about my post that was a response to your post about my first post.

Re topic - I will take that as a compliment as well - thanks ;)

Time to wind this one up now I think

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

Apology accepted, though I don't apologise for deliberately misinterpreting your post about my post that was a response to your post about my first post.

Re topic - I will take that as a compliment as well - thanks ;)

Time to wind this one up now I think

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Yeah, feck off on your bike mate. That way the only erosion you will cause will be to t old ashalt. :D

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

Time to wind this one up now I think

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You have been winding everyone up:rolleyes::D

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Originally Posted by XRunner

You have been winding everyone up:rolleyes::D

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It's what he loves to do, but underneath it all, he's a good chap;)

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Originally Posted by XRunner

You have been winding everyone up:rolleyes::D

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Not on this one you have done it yourselves

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Given the concerns about many new people coming into the sport and how this will affect numbers and the landscape perhaps the answer to is to ban anyone under 45 from entering a race. That way numbers will stay manageable, you will get wiser older heads running and the kids can go off and do skateboarding, competitive yo yo ing, Olympic happy slapping or whatever takes their fancy. Al could offer his services as a pole in the long jump.

Bofra can still do their junior section but only for 30+ people, that way their will be no CRB or chaperone issues and they can have a drink and a late night if they want one.

Also most of the field being 45+ they will be so addled following years on Timmy Taylors or Pendle Witches that as they will have no young uns to follow they will forge brand new routes in all directions in established races like Pendle.

What do people think?

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Can't believe I missed this thread. AS, that's a great idea but it has one fatal flaw. However, suitably adapted, it could work wonders.

There has been talk about fellrunning becoming increasingly an old-man's/bird's game. Well, we can sort this out in one fell swoop. In what i like to call the 'Eskimo' plan, we simply enforce a retirement age of, ooh let me think, 37, leaving the sport to revel in its youthfulness and reducing numbers, erosion and cantankerousness (is that a word?). That would get me off my skateboard and outta da hood in no time and the oldies can simply spectate. And hand out Wurthers during races to the young uns.

Oh, the retirement age should increase by one year each year too.

AS you are a genius :D

Yours,

ST

Aged 36 and 3/4s

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Can't believe I missed this thread. AS, that's a great idea but it has one fatal flaw. However, suitably adapted, it could work wonders.

There has been talk about fellrunning becoming increasingly an old-man's/bird's game. Well, we can sort this out in one fell swoop. In what i like to call the 'Eskimo' plan, we simply enforce a retirement age of, ooh let me think, 37, leaving the sport to revel in its youthfulness and reducing numbers, erosion and cantankerousness (is that a word?). That would get me off my skateboard and outta da hood in no time and the oldies can simply spectate. And hand out Wurthers during races to the young uns.

Oh, the retirement age should increase by one year each year too.

AS you are a genius :D

Yours,

ST

Aged 36 and 3/4s

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Thank you, but I cannot take this compliment as I do not truly believe it, though I am sure there are one or 2 on the forum who believe they are indeed touched by genius who would welcome your praise.

However you have missed the central premise of my idea, that most over 45 fell runners are so addled by booze that if there were no younger faster people in front of them who follow the well trod lines , they would bumble off in all directions onto less eroded soil.

Was going to stop posting on this but i have just come up the REAL solution after surfing the threads - its so obvious.


Want to reduce numbers and erosion - Ban TEACHERS from fell running, numbers will over halve. Why has nobody thought of this before!!

Obviously it would be difficult to enforce initially so you could make them have proper holidays like the rest of us instead of half the year off and stop teacher training days - they will not have enough time to run then/. (Well known fact teachers have to train twice as hard as the rest of us to get anywhere).

Swiss Toni is right - I am a genius.

Are you related to Mr Bean?

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Are you related to Mr Bean?

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you are a very new member aren't you?

Yes, but i am the handsome one

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you are a very new member aren't you?

Yes, but i am the handsome one

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Hee Hee!

New members eh!

Heard it all before eh AS?...........still makes me smile though:D