Borrowdale Fell Race

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Originally Posted by theNoor

Huwski - i've just recognised you're aviator. i saw you on sat and the face rang a bell. i think you emailed me the route, no? i think i promised you a beer - or am I muddling things?!

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Hey up Ben

I did send you bits of the route and description and yes, you promised me a pint!

Seeing as most of the detail was the Esk hause=>Scafell>Styhead bit we'll call it quits!

See you next year.

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Originally Posted by Huwski

Congratulations Calf on being 2nd placed Horwich runner ;)

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That's the pairs leg of the relays sorted, Huwski and Calf :cool:

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Originally Posted by Calf

http://www.keswicklakedistrict.co.uk...G_2131_jpg.htm

Make sure you've got ya sun glasses one, pasty and white even for me!!:(

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I feel a "white shoulders" competition coming on :)

Latest score: Dale Head 2 Average Punter 1

Just like to say thanks to all the people involved in the decision to shorten the course. This finally allowed me to come down Dale Head without having to sit down for 15 minutes at the tarn and wait for my body to start working again.

Once again, I tip my hat to the people who are prepared to stand around in various wind-blown parts of the British Isles handing out goodies to the legion of the damned who feel compelled to run themselves ragged over the hills. To the unknown lady handing out jelly babies on top of Dale Head, I salute you.

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Originally Posted by Pike

That's the pairs leg of the relays sorted, Huwski and Calf :cool:

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Put me down for 10th reserve......Just got this vision of me and calf running 3-legged over the fells for some reason! :D:D:D

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Originally Posted by Average Punter

To the unknown lady handing out jelly babies on top of Dale Head, I salute you.

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That would be our little gang of 4.
Gave out two full packs of sweets and 6 litres of water in all.
Daz H seemed particularly grateful.
Would rather have been running though, but bad guts had ruled me out.
Not beer induced may I add, although Thursday night was quite interesting!!!

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Originally Posted by Purpleplodder

That would be our little gang of 4.
Gave out two full packs of sweets and 6 litres of water in all.
Daz H seemed particularly grateful.
Would rather have been running though, but bad guts had ruled me out.
Not beer induced may I add, although Thursday night was quite interesting!!!

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A big :DThanks:D from me too - Pinched 2 jellies and a swig of water, was probably incoherent at that point but did wibble a thank you and something about something....

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Originally Posted by Purpleplodder

That would be our little gang of 4.
Gave out two full packs of sweets and 6 litres of water in all.
Daz H seemed particularly grateful.
Would rather have been running though, but bad guts had ruled me out.
Not beer induced may I add, although Thursday night was quite interesting!!!

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Oh heck! I wasn't aware of anybody at all on Dale Head - let alone someone I knew (Jo). Good to meet you after the race, anyway, PP. Shame you couldn't run, hope you're better now.

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Originally Posted by Pike

I feel a "white shoulders" competition coming on :)

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you don't stand a chance mate!!!

THou somehow I managed to get them sunburnt on saturday during the race :eek: so they currently match the Horwich top! :(

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Originally Posted by Purpleplodder

That would be our little gang of 4.
Gave out two full packs of sweets and 6 litres of water in all.
Daz H seemed particularly grateful.
Would rather have been running though, but bad guts had ruled me out.
Not beer induced may I add, although Thursday night was quite interesting!!!

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cheers

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Originally Posted by GeoffB

Just remembered my highlight of the weekend. Sunday morning - NotOnYourNelly jumping around like an excited schoolboy, 'cos the farmer was on his way to tow him out of the field with his big tractor! Magic!

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I think I was jumping around like an excited schoolboy all weekend Geoff, I had a fantastic weekend.

The farmer even jet washed my car down once he had towed me out of the field. Hats of to that man.

I was going to ask for a breakfast but had to shoot off.

Race wise I really enjoyed it,and for once on a long run, I did not feel all wobbly and the wheels stayed attached.

Cheers
Jamie

Great to see you back to form Jamie.....wohhhhhhhoooooooooooo

Bob Graham here you come.... let training commence

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Originally Posted by NotOnUrHelly

I think I was jumping around like an excited schoolboy all weekend Geoff, I had a fantastic weekend.

The farmer even jet washed my car down once he had towed me out of the field. Hats of to that man.

I was going to ask for a breakfast but had to shoot off.

Race wise I really enjoyed it,and for once on a long run, I did not feel all wobbly and the wheels stayed attached.

Cheers
Jamie

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Excellent!

That's really good news Jamie - I'm really pleased that you've got everything sorted out now. Well done.

I remember Jamie running past me like a scalded cat, shouting "I'm going too fast, I'm going too fast"

What was that special supplement you were taking?????

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Originally Posted by brett

I remember Jamie running past me like a scalded cat, shouting "I'm going too fast, I'm going too fast"

What was that special supplement you were taking?????

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I reckon Manhar was dishing out 'special stuff' but I realize you guys won't be in a position to acknowledge it.

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Originally Posted by Purpleplodder

That would be our little gang of 4.
Gave out two full packs of sweets and 6 litres of water in all.
Daz H seemed particularly grateful.
Would rather have been running though, but bad guts had ruled me out.
Not beer induced may I add, although Thursday night was quite interesting!!!

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Not beer induced??!! Unutterable bollocks!

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Originally Posted by Purpleplodder

That would be our little gang of 4.
Gave out two full packs of sweets and 6 litres of water in all.

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Would that have been the small children by the still crossover going up Dale head? Thanks for the jelly babies.

And someone else near the summit of Dalehead gave me water - again, thanks.

I've had a two day hangover - great day sat!- i was really happy when they announced we didnt have to go up scafell pike - i thought - ah its in the bag now but then it all started to feel a little flat coming round to allen crags, then i changed my mind about it again and got really giddy with all the people handing out sweets and biscuits in the key places - especailly the chap who gave us a caramac biscuit before esk hause, and the kids at sty head with loads of orange poweraid, its was such a great day and I think the best borrowdale bash I've been to! I ran 4:38, ran half the route with hotdog and sunny then tested my own nav from windy gap......which was intersting but i found my way to the finish and am really sorry for bumping into the girl from tring as we ran through the village.

I can't remember anything about the race apart from a blue clad walker who held out his water bottle for me as i ran past. Thankyou friend.
While i was unconscious someone apparently stole my number and pinned it onto a very tired old man who was wearing a new cap that was too small for him. Pete Bland must be congratulated for telling him it looked alright.

A special thanks to Manhar for the water at Sty Head - much appreciated!
Enjoyed the race - well at least i think my legs did!

I had a goodly slurp of orange juice off Grouse. Or I think it was orange juice - got me up Gable any road.

Did you? Say hello next time we meet cos I don't know who you are - or do I? Well done everyone by the way - and Geoff, I'm sorry if I left you in the lurch at Rosthwaite, but I thought you were sorted for a babysitter. I decided on the way up to go to Sty Head rather than mooch around at the start!

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Originally Posted by Grouse

Did you? Say hello next time we meet cos I don't know who you are - or do I? Well done everyone by the way - and Geoff, I'm sorry if I left you in the lurch at Rosthwaite, but I thought you were sorted for a babysitter. I decided on the way up to go to Sty Head rather than mooch around at the start!

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Yes, I was wondering who Rudolph was - must be someone local to us.

No problem regards Emma. She had a great time with Julien's family & Millipede (bless her) had offered her services, too.

Cracken Edge tonight?

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Originally Posted by Daleside

i found my way to the finish and am really sorry for bumping into the girl from tring as we ran through the village.

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Daleside,

Thanks, I'll pass that on - the incident was mentioned...:)

MH

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Originally Posted by GeoffB

Cracken Edge tonight?

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Short version like last year?;)

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Originally Posted by Swoop

Short version like last year?;)

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Thought I might make the effort & go for the full distance this year!

Well done everybody on Saturday. Really enjoyed the day and was amazed at the no of people at Styhead. Was getting concerned at 1 point as I'd passed 2 packs of jelly babies to Grouse's children to hand out and I thought they would run short before everybody passed.

Had a nice glass of wine (Cheers Sarah) whilst ensuring you lot stuck to the non alcoholic stuff.

A pleasure to meet Sarah, Hopey, Grit Britain and the rest of the forumites. Thank you for the appreciation of being there - Once again well done 1 & all.

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Originally Posted by Tussockface

Just back home after a fantastic weekend. Great to meet so many fellow forumites, and well done to all. Special thanks to Hotdog, who was a real hero, giving valuable guidance to Sunnysideup and me, and keeping his injured clubmate Jo company as she made her back to Rosthwaite. Cheers.

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Hey Hey, No problem Good day out and well done all for getting round. It's a shame it wasn't full distance, but with the wind early that morning Broad Crag Col would have been a nightmare...Good Call Scoffer. I think Jo & I must have brought up the rear, but she was chuffed to get round.

Didn't feel too bad after the run think I was more wipped out after the evening bash, was jiggered all day sunday and had to fly out to Delft with work on the monday for a weeks jolly...err training course. They're short of a few hill's out here can we lend em some? Had a four hour delay when someone drove a baggage lift into a door on the plane and they had to find a manual to repair it :eek: I'd have prefered it if they'ed used a piece of metal instead

Just twigged Rudolph that you can't be who I thought you were if you didi Borrowdale - c'mon, spill the beans;) !!!

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Originally Posted by Mountain Hare

Daleside,

Thanks, I'll pass that on - the incident was mentioned...:)

MH

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It was awful - i passed about 10 people coming down off dalehead and passed each one carefully and with coordination ..apart from knocking into that poor lass not once, but twice! - i felt awful as i thought she would have thought i did it on purpose, but that isnt my style and it was genuine poor coordination - i wanted to have a laugh about it at the end of the race with her but I dont think she did which made me feel worse.

What a great weekend it was. . . .Special thanks to the kind chap who gave me a Tunnocks caramel wafer at Sty Head.
I think Sunnyside overtook me on the descent off Dale Head near the slate mine.
Superb route - great organisation - back next year for SP too.
Now what next? Me thinks Langdale for what will be the third year running. I'm determined to run a sensible route between Bowfell and Crinkle Crags!!

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Originally Posted by Tractorboy

I'm determined to run a sensible route between Bowfell and Crinkle Crags!!

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I don't think ther is one!!!

Just back from my 2 weeks in Borrowdale - what luck with the weather :-)
Shame it was only the Borrdale Race (with the middle "ow!" section taken out). Have to do it next year, especially as I recceed the Corridor Route twice!

Personally I don't think the weather was ever anything like serious enough to consider shortening the race - but I can't blame Scoffer given that advice. I went back to the car to leave my hats and gloves behind and instead get a Buff in case of sunshine as the day was improving, got back and found the race had been cut short!

Regarding comparissons with Edale - haven't most deaths in the Peak been due to people simply not going downhill to get off the moors (and hence wandering about aimlessly trying to find the "correct" route off and getting exposure).

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Originally Posted by GeoffB

I thought we had got the right line - runnable grass was what I was looking for - until Joe told us afterwards that there is a nice runnable path all the way round to Windy Gap. I tell you what, Daz, we'll recce it next year ready for your BG.

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Having receed the route quite a bit I can now offer route advice... for a price ;-)

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Originally Posted by Joe

Having receed the route quite a bit I can now offer route advice... for a price ;-)

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I'm quite happy to buy you pint...

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Originally Posted by Joe

Regarding comparissons with Edale - haven't most deaths in the Peak been due to people simply not going downhill to get off the moors (and hence wandering about aimlessly trying to find the "correct" route off and getting exposure).

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Not too sure what you’re getting at here – either they couldn’t find the descent route or they simply didn’t go down ... but not both surely.

If you’re talking about the historically significant deaths which (hopefully) changed people’s perception of the seriousness of the peakland fells (e.g. the 1964 Four Inns tragedy where four scouts died ... and mountain rescue as we now know it was born in the Peak) then you’re talking about unexpectedly severe conditions. These kinds of event still happen, they certainly shouldn’t be underestimated and, for a very small number of runners, the Edale race fell into that category.

Statistically, however, I think you’ll find that the heart attack heads the list of fatality causes in the Peak – just as it does in the Lakes.

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Originally Posted by Yorkshire Thug

...unexpectedly severe conditions. These kinds of event still happen, they certainly shouldn’t be underestimated and, for a very small number of runners, the Edale race fell into that category.

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All fell runners in the Edale race experienced the same conditions. Some endured it for longer, and others were better able to cope with the severe conditions.

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Originally Posted by Yorkshire Thug

Statistically, however, I think you’ll find that the heart attack heads the list of fatality causes in the Peak – just as it does in the Lakes.

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Read the Statistics for Mountain Rescue.

Falls, tumbles, slips, trips and stumbles accounted for over 50% of all incidents in 2004. Medical collapse or illness accounted for only 7.6%.

Heart attacks did accounted for 9 (36%) of the 25 deaths however.

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Originally Posted by XRunner

Falls, tumbles, slips, trips and stumbles accounted for over 50% of all incidents in 2004. Medical collapse or illness accounted for only 7.6%.

Heart attacks did accounted for 9 (36%) of the 25 deaths however.

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Followed you link, XR, and the report’s interesting (I assume you mean the 2004 report) but not that straightforward.

For instance, it says 9 coronary deaths (countrywide) but doesn’t explain what the other 16 deaths were. One of these, it says, was in the Mid Pennine area and concerned fell running – what was that about then?

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Originally Posted by Yorkshire Thug

One of these, it says, was in the Mid Pennine area and concerned fell running – what was that about then?

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There are four deaths attributed to fell running in these reports:

2004 Mid Pennine
2003 Lake District
2002 North Wales
1998 N.E. England

I am not sure if these refer to deaths in organised fell races.
It is possible that the figures include orienteers as well as fell runners.

Can anybody provide more information?

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Originally Posted by XRunner

There are four deaths attributed to fell running in these reports:

2004 Mid Pennine
2003 Lake District
2002 North Wales
1998 N.E. England

I am not sure if these refer to deaths in organised fell races.
It is possible that the figures include orienteers as well as fell runners.

Can anybody provide more information?

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The lakes incident was:

152 Fell Running (4 in Party) 30/05/03 21:10 Man(70) Lancaster,

Weather, Ground Conditions:

Calm dry clear mild. Dry

Location:

Ullscarf NY298122

All good, Good
Cause of Accident:

Fell runner (years of experience) collapsed

Companions immediately commenced CPR
both without success
11419
Cloth'g/Equip't/Foot'r, Experience:
Outcome/Injury Details: FATAL - cause not known at this point
Teams, No members, Duration:

Keswick 19, 3hr; Boulmer Helicopter

This was Ken Turner, one of the founders of South Ribble OC. It was subsequently confirmed as a heart attack. Way to go.

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Borrowdale Fell Race 2008

There will be no entries taken on the day for the Borrowdale Fell Race in 2008.

Potential competitors must apply to enter the race by means of the official Borrowdale Fell Race entry form. That form will not be made available nor will any entries be accepted before 31st May 2008.

Please do not try to enter without the official form and please do not ask the Race Organiser for an entry form before 31st May.

After 31st May, entry forms will be available to download from www.borrowdalefellrunners.co.uk . Forms will also be available after 31st May by post (please send a stamped self addressed envelope) from the Race Organiser – Andrew Schofield, End Yan, Jenkin Hill, Thornthwaite, Keswick, CA12 5SG.

The Race will be limited to 500 competitors. The first 500 entries received, from appropriately experienced runners, after 31st May will be accepted. No entries received after 7th July will be accepted.