were they stood ready to leave before you were grouped, they may have been given 4 minutes of waiting time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andymac
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were they stood ready to leave before you were grouped, they may have been given 4 minutes of waiting time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andymac
Our time's given as 10 minutes longer than we timed it. But we're also-rans anyway, and our position's unaffected :)
Is it normal to be thinking about next year's event this soon? Surely we should still be in 'never again' mode?!
No Ian, quite the opposite, we were a group of five who actually waited for the sixth member so he wasn't left hanging around. We should have been given a good 10 mins of waiting time really.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Nah... I'm looking forward to it again already!Quote:
Originally Posted by Toreador
Hi again Andy and tough titty regarding the rice pudding :). Fleet Moss was a pussy cat this year :)Quote:
Originally Posted by andyLJ
Sorry to hear about the timing errors Andymac and Toreador. If you had waiting time, one of two errors could have occurred.
1. It wasn't noted down on the finisher's docket for us to enter into the database.
2. The person who entered the waiting time entered it as a positive instead of a negative number, adding time on instead of taking it away. (I'm a stickler and I triple check, no matter how tired I am, so it won't have been me, honest guv. ;-)
It might be worth contacting the organisers to check either of those two possibilities?
With reference to 'waiting times' being added etc, I am not sure that they were noted. I timed my overall time as being 16.05 and that is the time that I have been allocated on the results - although there was around 5 - 7 minutes or so waiting at Cray while groups were sorted out.
Not fussed though as it was a cracking day out - I just need to run faster next time!! Although I can understand the frustration it can cause.
I'm not bothered enough to contact anyone :)
I think our waiting time wasn't recorded as it was slightly chaotic. We left Fleet Moss 5 minutes before grouping, but took an "unplanned detour" and arrive at Cray at least 45 minutes after the last ungrouped runners, so they spent a while looking for an existing group to tack us on to. Regardless of this, my watch recorded about 10 minute faster than our given time. I know the grouping times didn't make any allowance for the late start, so maybe the finish times didn't either?
The only timing that upsets me is the hour we lost by following the wrong fence!
Looking at the results, the field must be getting stronger, as in 2008 I finished 35th. This year I was 2 minutes slower but finished 99th. Is this because there are more entries from strong runners competing in the Vasque series I wonder ?
Cheers BritNick, waiting times were not involved, we wre a group of six finishing at the same time and for some reason my time has been recorded as 4 mins slower than the other five. I can, however undersatnd how the that the young ladies at the finish could make the mistake when confronted by six disorientated smelly runners. I enjoyed the day....that's what counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritNick
check out the note on fellsman site http://www.fellsman.org.uk/doku.php, the reaction of the person concerned seems as concerning
I agree. Seems completely unnecessary to do it as well. In the end I believe there were places for people to enter (as themselves) on the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by egor
Haven't seen a 2011 thread on this anyone doing it - am seriiously considering this year but have no idea of training I should be doinfg , what races to pre enter etc. Any thoughts
I'm up for this with the delightful Mick too.
ive entered again, training wise, id be interesting to see what other people do, ive got 3 p's, wadsworth trog and haworth hobble (hopefully) lined up and reccies of the night section bits. last year, it wasnt so much the running/ascent that got me, it was the eating/hydration, getting that right, was throwing up at 12o'clock night time on some dark moor that i cant recall.
I did it for the first time last year and I'm thinking of having another crack at it. Last year I didn't do much more than my 3 Peaks training - I mainly did LDWA events. I think the furthest I ran was 29 miles. Mind you that probably explains my rather slow time. Despite this I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antisocial
doing the Fellsman for the first time this year, application went in on Monday...planning on doing a few of the LDWA events as well as the 3 peaks route and the High Peak Marathon route.. all in preperation for my first 100 UTLD..
I'm not sure that pure fell races help with the fellsman. Doing something nutty like the high peak marathon first helps though. When I first did the fellsman, I wasn't at all sure I could do the distance but knew I could do 24 miles over the 3 peaks. I drew consolation from that that 30 miles was therefore 'easy peasy' so felt that just a little more effort and drive would get me round the HPM (circa 40 to 42 miles depending on how much blundering around in the dark you do). Then having successfully got the HPM under my belt, doing the 60 or so miles of the fellsman was at least psychologically achievable. From experience, having done both twice, I can't discern much difference in my mind of how I felt during the last 10 miles over Kinder into Edale on the HPM and the last 15 miles of the Fellsman hacking up Buckden Pike and Great Whernside. They're both tough as aresholes :).Quote:
Originally Posted by egor
The other advantage of the HPM, or at least the HPM route, is that it chucks plenty of bogs and groughs at you; grand practice for the groughs and bogs of Fleet Moss and Middle Tongue on the Fellsman. Finally although the fellsman isn't stupidly high, given the distance (11,000 odd feet of ascent/descent all in) it throws half of that at you in the first 13.5 miles as you do three peaks back to back - Ingleborough, Whernside and Gragareth. I tend to find that my legs are totally shot by the time I get to Stonehouse, something like 27 miles in, but after a long and drawn out bumble up Great Knoutberry amazingly they start to recover and I can finish the race without noticeably getting to feel any worse (or noticeably any better to be fair).
So best training for me is long days out in and around the peaks of the Dales with Pen y Ghent, Whernside, Ingleborough, Gragareth, Great Comb and Blea Moor being my preferred yomping grounds. I'm up for it again this year by the way :)
I found the doing the Lyke Wake Walk route was a great bit of training last year. 42 miles, but not too much climb (5500ft, I think). It's linear though, so you'll need transport sorting at the end. Good time on your feet and the terrain is quite similar in parts, complete with a mini Fleet Moss section of bog and grough!
This is exactly what happened to me last year! Went off too quick over the first climbs, including charging down off Ingleborough and niggling my ITB, and felt like jacking it in by the time I got to Stonehouse. In fact, I'm not sure how or why I even left Stonehouse, but I did, and the second half of the event was much more enjoyable. I'd go as far as saying that I actually felt better at 50 miles than at 20.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
I was planning on doing it again. But I had an op on my knee last week so realistically I doubt I'll be fit enough in time :(
Yes, me too. I felt at my worst on the ridge run after Gragareth and seriously thought that i'd jack it in at Dent. But after a good feed in Dent I felt much better. While it wasn't exactly a breeze after that, I felt a lot more comfortable and never felt I was going to jack from that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
How much of the Fellsman does the average mere mortal actually run? I'm working on my running, but I'm definitely going to be walking a fair amount of it, especially the uphill bits!
I completed it in 18 and a half hours so I'm definitely in the mere mortal category. I walked a fair bit including most of the night section which was for me about 6 and a half hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by plodding bear
For me it was the same as Hank - I went far too quick at the start and this enduced a high level of suffering on the following climbs until Dent. Once past Stonehouse I felt great and there was no suffering at all. The only pain was from being grouped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
I cant do it this year as no pass will be issued by 'her in-doors'.
Training wise I would suggest - time on feet and a couple of good long days with decent climbs.
Same for me. I definitely ran more than I should've done early doors and probably less than I could've done in the latter stages, but that's in part down to the night groupings. After suffering in the first half of the event I was conscious of dying again so, although I was feeling much better, I got with a steady group and we had a pretty steady (and enjoyable!) walk through the last 15 miles or so. If you're up to it I reckon after Great Whernside the route is very runnable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
Sorry to hear that Toreador... do you think you'll be fit for any MMs later in the year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Toreador
Thats a really good question. I finished in 18 hours and a bit last year and up until Cray (45 miles-ish) I'd guess I'd ran (of a fashion) maybe 30 miles of it to that point. Obviously you can't run the steep ups and the ground itself takes its toll on how and what you might want to define as running. The last 15 miles for 'mere mortals' will be in the dark within a team of 4 and from that point your pace is set by the team and navigation concerns - I found that I could probably run a bit better than my team at that point but they could speed walk much much better than me, meaning that I'd often be walking then trotting to catch up with their walking. 35 to 40 miles running maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by plodding bear
And don't lose sight of the fact that the fellsman is also walked and the walkers walk all of the way surprisingly enough.
I'm lucky in that I can get to the 3 Peaks area relatively easily (the price of diesel notwithstanding!) so once I get started I should be able to get some decent hill days in. I was just looking at another site which reckons on walking for about 1/4 to 1/3 of that kind of distance. Obviously it'll depend on the terrain at the time...
Depends what you class as running. the trick is to stay comfortable, run all the bits at a slow pace, it's along way! walk all the climbs and run down all the descents, if you find your self breathing hard you're going too fast. you should be able to chat all the way round. may be run 100 paces walk 100 paces but keep the momentum going. Don't hang around at the road crossings, get some food and keep going, 10 minutes at each feed station will cost you an hour just like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by plodding bear
1 hour and 20 minutes in fact - there are 8 food stops at the last countQuote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
I don't stop at the first 2 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
10 mins is quie a long time
I wouldnot stop that long at many! Don't think I stopped that long at the pasta- just ate it as I walked up te road!
Did it in 2009, purposely walked every uphill and ran the rest, apart from the last checkpoint when my feet and ankles went missing in action, can't remember how long i stopped at every checkpoint but got my money's worth foodwise, did jog over the finish line though in just under 17 hours. Basically go how you feel and keep putting one foot in front of the other, get your training done and you'll be reet:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by plodding bear
I'll probably be walking some of the rougher flat bits too, like Fleet Moss:o
I think I'm going to use 'continual forward motion' as my mantra...
hmm not sure you are convincing me
Looking at the fellsman, how good do you have to be at navigating? do you just need basic nav skills or good/excellent nav skills?
Would it be be too close to a BGR attempt in july? Thought it would be a good tester , nut never done out like it so not sure if it would take too much out of you
Thanks
http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/showt...eeks-before-BG discussed hereQuote:
Originally Posted by chamber34
Thanks
I might return and do this again, I might even try and keep up with Nicky!!
although I wish they'd go back to the proper start time 12.00