Brexit

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Originally Posted by Graham Breeze

perspicacity

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a new word on my Graham. Thanks for that one :)

Me too. I still can’t work out whether Graham was agreeing with me or travs although, given my general experiences when I dip in on this thread, I’m not holding my breath

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Haha, as somebody famous once said, the trouble with democracy is the ignorant have exactly the same influence with their one vote as the informed 😊

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That’s true Stolly but despite that I still think you should be allowed to vote.

Haha 😊

Particularly the ignorant with Gina millers money.

I completely dispute the idea of soft Brexit which is a remainer fallacy

Being in customs union is all of the EU control with none of the trade advantages,

I’m a Brexiteer but also pragmatic.

If not out completely ( ignore the idiot scare stories) then stay in and make EUs life a misery. If we are even partly in we must keep the veto.

Soft Brexit is a remain mp illusion, of those who do not want to be seen to revoke A50, but neither do they want to Brexit , so they offer the worst of both worlds, and stall it forever. They have no guts.

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Haha, as somebody famous once said, the trouble with democracy is the ignorant have exactly the same influence with their one vote as the informed 😊

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Haha, as somebody famous once said, the trouble with democracy is the ignorant have exactly the same influence with their one vote as the informed ��

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:D

I’d argue that there’s a difference between being ignorant and being uninterested...!

As for my one vote, for what it’s worth, I didn’t vote in the referendum (I believe it will make little difference in or out) and my constituency is a safe seat with a large majority, so my election vote isn’t really worth a jot either...

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but also pragmatic

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you're really not.
Don't try and reinvent yourself as some sort of "oh, I don't know" type. You used the term Fourth Reich to describe the EU and have endlessly poured out anti-EU bile on this forum.

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Soft Brexit is a remain mp illusion

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no, it's a device which highlights the "hardness" of a "hard" Brexit (ie "crashing out"/WTO terms/"no deal").

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Being in customs union is all of the EU control with none of the trade advantages,

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whereas crashing out means having no say over the terms of trade yet still having to comply with them.....

The EU is an underperforming , despotic , fundamentally flawed, power grabbing failure that has made misery for millions, and is destined to fail, with a one way traffic of money and people that makes the poor even poorer. Like previous empires, It is more obsessed with its own power Than it is with wellbeing.That will remain true however much illinformed remainers with rose tinted glasses try to pretend it is otherwise. I care about the victims because I meet them, you seemingly don’t.

From day 1 I have said we are either in or out. An independent nation with trading agreement or in at the heart stopping these EU despots from making it worse.

In my view it is time to bail from the titanic. You seemingly would rather sink. Remainers see the EU as stable, it is not , it is disintegrating. Those who think customs union is brexit, like most remainers seemingly, clearly do not understand the union. But then I have traded round the world , you have not.

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Originally Posted by Dave_Mole

you're really not.
Don't try and reinvent yourself as some sort of "oh, I don't know" type. You used the term Fourth Reich to describe the EU and have endlessly poured out anti-EU bile on this forum.


no, it's a device which highlights the "hardness" of a "hard" Brexit (ie "crashing out"/WTO terms/"no deal").

whereas crashing out means having no say over the terms of trade yet still having to comply with them.....

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Originally Posted by Oracle

The EU is an underperforming , despotic , fundamentally flawed, power grabbing failure that has made misery for millions, and is destined to fail, with a one way traffic of money and people that makes the poor even poorer. Like previous empires, It is more obsessed with its own power Than it is with wellbeing.That will remain true however much illinformed remainers with rose tinted glasses try to pretend it is otherwise. I care about the victims because I meet them, you seemingly don’t.

From day 1 I have said we are either in or out. An independent nation with trading agreement or in at the heart stopping these EU despots from making it worse.

In my view it is time to bail from the titanic. You seemingly would rather sink. Remainers see the EU as stable, it is not , it is disintegrating. Those who think customs union is brexit, like most remainers seemingly, clearly do not understand the union. But then I have traded round the world , you have not.

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Mmmh. There is something refreshing about a non-obfuscated point of view.:)

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Originally Posted by Oracle

The EU is an underperforming , despotic , fundamentally flawed, power grabbing failure that has made misery for millions, and is destined to fail, with a one way traffic of money and people that makes the poor even poorer. Like previous empires, It is more obsessed with its own power Than it is with wellbeing.That will remain true however much illinformed remainers with rose tinted glasses try to pretend it is otherwise. I care about the victims because I meet them, you seemingly don’t.

From day 1 I have said we are either in or out. An independent nation with trading agreement or in at the heart stopping these EU despots from making it worse.

In my view it is time to bail from the titanic. You seemingly would rather sink. Remainers see the EU as stable, it is not , it is disintegrating. Those who think customs union is brexit, like most remainers seemingly, clearly do not understand the union. But then I have traded round the world , you have not.

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having your own personal troll is quite a forum achievement :D