The EU is an underperforming , despotic , fundamentally flawed, power grabbing failure that has made misery for millions, and is destined to fail, with a one way traffic of money and people that makes the poor even poorer. Like previous empires, It is more obsessed with its own power Than it is with wellbeing.That will remain true however much illinformed remainers with rose tinted glasses try to pretend it is otherwise. I care about the victims because I meet them, you seemingly don’t.

From day 1 I have said we are either in or out. An independent nation with trading agreement or in at the heart stopping these EU despots from making it worse.

In my view it is time to bail from the titanic. You seemingly would rather sink. Remainers see the EU as stable, it is not , it is disintegrating. Those who think customs union is brexit, like most remainers seemingly, clearly do not understand the union. But then I have traded round the world , you have not.


Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Mole View Post
you're really not.
Don't try and reinvent yourself as some sort of "oh, I don't know" type. You used the term Fourth Reich to describe the EU and have endlessly poured out anti-EU bile on this forum.


no, it's a device which highlights the "hardness" of a "hard" Brexit (ie "crashing out"/WTO terms/"no deal").

whereas crashing out means having no say over the terms of trade yet still having to comply with them.....