There will be me and a pal also, what kind of price is it?
cheers
Andy.
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There will be me and a pal also, what kind of price is it?
cheers
Andy.
I'm planning on doing it too, so's a friend, and I expect my partner will be persuaded :)
I'd be quite interested too.
I think it was £20 when I paid via SI in February.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyH
The Nav4 site has just been updated:
We are busy finalising a few details for The Tour which will be on Saturday 17th December
The Tour is a very tough 38mile Winter Trail run on wild, unmarked Lakeland Trails over open terrian. Good navigation skills and self reliance will be required. It has a strict 12 hour time limit with a cut-off around 25 miles.
Entries will be strictly vetted and restricted to experienced and competent runners - they will not be readily available on-line via a web-based system. Therefore, they will not fill up inappropriately. Entry will be via email application, only.
Entry details will be posted here soon; entries will hopefully opening on 1st November, but not before.....
There has been an update on the site which now says.
The Tour is a very tough 38mile Winter Trail run on wild, unmarked Lakeland Trails over open terrian. Good navigation skills and self reliance are required. It has a strict 12 hour time limit with a cut-off around 25 miles.
If you're interested in running this trail with us, please contact us.
If this is on I'm definitely having a go.
just sent my email off and hoping to hear a positve reply :thumbup:
Joe's ahead of himself. Thanks for the heads up Richard.
From an email this evening.
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We're still busy with a few last minutes details - we'll let you know when / how to enter soon.
Date is set for 17th December....
From following Splatcher's directions it sounds like roughly half the distance is the circuit from Patterdale and the other half the out and back from Askham to Patterdale... does this seem about right? I think I'm going to have a recce of Askham to Patterdale and back tomorrow.
Tracklogs says the Askham-Patterdale section is a smidge over 10 miles (one way).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
Right, excellent, cheers!Quote:
Originally Posted by richpips
Hank
I think the route to Patterdale is quite straightforward but if you could provide a route map when you have done the recce that would be very helpful
Enjoy your day out!
Cheers
No worries... I'll do a GPS track and stick a link up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard36
Can you not do the whole route and let us have a GPS track of that!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard36
Oh, if only I'd seen your message then I would have! Or maybe not. Anyway, here's the track. Probably not a right lot of use as the maps on Garmin Connect are rubbish. It was a nice run though. A few bits of road that weren't good in Mudclaws, but other than that I enjoyed it. Navigationally very straight-forward, other than a small section early on that could be tricky under snow. But nothing a compass bearing wouldn't sort out. Some of the paths could be interesting if it's icy as they're very wet. The out and back makes up 32k of the total 61, so pretty much half.
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/121455125
It had better be icy - I've just ordered a pair of Kahtoolas!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
I just hope it's clear one way or another... I don't want to carry them round and not use them, but then I don't want to leave them only to find there's ice around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toreador
Recced the loop from Patterdale today... I make it pretty much 28k with about 1100m climb, making 60k and about 2000m for the whole thing. The climb up to Grisedale Tarn from Dunmail would be interesting under snow and ice.
If there's enough snow and ice for climbing (I wish), then there'll be a well worn trail :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
It was. I'm hoping for more of the same again so I can wear the Kahtoolas I bought last winter, just as the thaw set in. Never worn them yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
Grisedale Tarn.
Well I'm hoping for 12 inches of snow & no ice. Because I've not got any Kahtoolas.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritNick
Any updates on this? I mailed Nav4 a week ago to double check it's going ahead as it clashes with other things, as yet i've had no response.
Cheers, Ken
Same here. I guess we'll hear when there's news!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nee Bother
....me too! I'd just like to know if I'm considered experienced enough for a start!
Great pics! I hope it looks like that this year (also hoping that it happens this year).
Looked a wee bit on the cold side for me :w00t:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
It was Nee Bother but I was toasty warm. It was minus 10 at the finish. My Coke and water in my two bottles first turned to slush then froze completely. I was without liquid for the last couple of hours but it didn't really matter as I'd been hydrating all day. They took hours to thaw out again in my B&B room. When I took a shower the water backed up and nearly overflowed the shower tray because it froze in the waste pipe and blocked it. It was cold alright.
Hello,
We intend to stage TdeH on Saturday 17th December. I have been watching this thread with interest so perhaps the following will be of use to Forumitees?
It is a low-key event, but we need full permissions; naturally, the authorities (and me!) are very concerned about the safety of this event, and the appropriateness of the participants. However, I'm also committed to providing a challenge for those who want it, and can cope with it, at that time of year.
If you are considering this, think very carefully; can you navigate on your own, in poor conditions. Can you actually cope with running 38 miles in winter conditions, without support? Can you average 3.5mph on that terrain? There is no mass start - window start - and with only 75 places available then following someone else is not an option. Do you have the necessary gear, will you carry it?
In terms of experience - you need evidence of long remote navigation mountain challenges. This means 10x London Marathons won't do, nor Three Peaks in 3:30, or Lakes 50 in 18hours, sorry. We need experience in depth...
Try this - answer six 'Yes' and your suitable:
1) I have completed an 'Ultra' of more than 40 miles and/or event of at least eight hours in duration.
2) I am competent with a map and compass and will not get lost, even if the weather is very poor.
3) I have previously successfully completed navigation events in wild mountainous terrain.
4) I understand the nature of the route (unmarked) and terrain (wild and wintery, whatever that means!) and I am confident of finishing within 12hours.
5) I am well aware of the amount of clothing, gear, and food needed for such a day out and never skimp on the organiser's kit list (which will be fair but realistic)
6) I'm competent to look after myself in harsh terrain, and I'll enjoy a pint at The Queens afterwards, once I'll had copious tea and soup.
If that all sounds fair then you're suitably qualified. Entry details, and applications, will be available soon.
Joe Faulkner
TdeH NAV4 Organgrinder
Joe
Thanks for the info.
Will a route map be available at the time of entry, or will that only be made available some time later?
Cheers
Bugger! I've been watching this thread for a while and had pretty much made up my mind to do the TdH in December - I'm always in the Lakes at that time of year anyway and it sounds right up my street. Trouble is, although I've been going out for long runs in the Lakes in winter all by myself for years now (I come from a hillwalking background so am happy navigating and carrying kit), and I know I could easily cover the ground in 12 hours whatever the weather decides to do, I haven't done any 'qualifying' events, just a few AL races in the Lakes and the odd LDWA thing here and there.
Not knocking you or the entry requirements at all here Joe - I think it's great that you're organising something like this at a time of year when there's not much other long-distance stuff happening in that part of the world, and I probably wouldn't do so myself for fear of muppets turning up! I'm just a bit disappointed to have to wait another year (don't think I'll be able to get the requisite 40-mile event in before entries for this fill up), so thought I'd have a bit of a moan about it.
Cheers Joe,
Will wait for your info.
Ken
Same here (apart from the Ken bit).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nee Bother
Hello Trim Trab, and others,
Just picking up on your comments - whilst I need to be harsh and firm I'm also willing to listen to exceptional cases. I'm well aware that some people do not like doing formal events but will have done epic solo journeys which, to me are highly relevant and prove self-reliance. So, if you feel there is a gap or flaw in my guidelines, and can evidence other experience then I will consider it.
As I write now, I'm still finalising the entry procedure, and preparing permit documents. I can not confirm route info prior to these permits being issued, but I suggest that you read the variety of blogs out there from 2010 as it won't change much. However, I do feel it's strange that people what to do something when they don't know where it goes....
Yours,
Joe
TdeH
NAV4
Looking forward to the OMM this weekend for exactly that reason ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeFaulkner
Hmm. Be fair Joe. When I entered in February I thought I did know where it went. I hope you've invested my £20 prudently...
[Edited to make it clear this comment was tongue in cheek & not intended as a dig at Joe! I'm keen to be lining up on 17 December, if not as fit as I was in July...]
Thanks for the reply Joe, I totally understand where you're coming from. I'll state my case as best I can when entries open!
Andy R,
You have mail!
Joe
This sounds like a great event Joe. I hope i can get across and do it.
Tom