Moley's conspiracy theory.
It's not over the Elenith at all. The Epynt instead, the Elan valley thing is just to throw everyone off the scent ;). Wouldn't want anyone doing secret recces over the Epynt - end up shot:eek:.
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Moley's conspiracy theory.
It's not over the Elenith at all. The Epynt instead, the Elan valley thing is just to throw everyone off the scent ;). Wouldn't want anyone doing secret recces over the Epynt - end up shot:eek:.
I have a Suunto Vector for sale. The altimeter function is very useful for MM's and as it's not a GPS it is allowed on these events.
See the Sales and Wants thread for further info.
Thanks
The OMM management have clarified the sleeping bag situation. They acknowledge the widely varying 'standards' used by manufacturers and have come up with a pragmatic solution. Down bags must weigh at least 400g and synthetic bags at least 800g. Nice a clear. Mindyou, that hasn't stopped some nit-pickers having a go on the OMM forum. What is it with these naval gazers!!:rolleyes:
Anyway, my karrimor synthetic bag is 900g so should pass scrutiny:). Comes in a 1100 with the stuff sac mind!:mad:
The sleeping bag conundrum now seems pretty sorted to me, all makes sense. Problem is, some of them are so obsessed, I think they now fail to differentiate between "fast and light" and "bleedin' stupid". Wanting to sleep in a bag liner, in mountains, in October :rolleyes:?
The mind does boggle! I think some people just get vicarious pleasure from pushing rules as far as they can. I remember a high profile fell runner from many years ago who used to take full body cover from an Action Man outfit in his bumbag. His argument was that the rules didn't state which body just a body:rolleyes:.
Now. Next conundrum. Food! What works best over this time period? I've bought a spork so I'm off to a good start!:D
Wheeze, not many calories in a spork!
I'm bringing pork pies.
OK, but was it waterproof full body cover?:p:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
My partner has had to pull out last minute and he was the nav specialist ,does anybody want to join me for the b class or could drop to c...?
Have a mate up here who may be up for a run out, hasn't done a MM before but pretty handy on the fells, have no trouble with the B. Oh yes, he knows the Elan very well too ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by owmeknee
COURGETTES: RACING FUEL FOR CHAMPIONS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
A friend at work has offered to come up on his MTB and bring us a takeaway - but I guess this will be frowned upon :rolleyes:.
For us it will be tent up then cupa soup (decent one). Later a bowl of instant noodles then later still, either a quick pasta meal or possibly my fave is flavoured Smash (+ wedge of butter) and beanfeast. But this plays havoc with the bowels :(. Before bed hot chocolate drink.
Breakfast probably instant porridge with syrup, but just to p*** people off, may fry bacon, onion, black pud (all chopped up in plastic bag with fat) and eggs. Eaten from a double corn tortilla wrap. Tea.
sent you a messageQuote:
Originally Posted by molehill
Take your pocket calculator shopping with you and work out the dried food with the highest calorie to weight ratio, rule out what can't be made easily with boiling water, and choose what you like to eat. Simple!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
Noodles are popular, so is quick cook pasta with something e.g. cuppa soup. I believe people use Smash, pot noodles, and ready made dried meals from outdoor shops. Custard is also popular, with the remains of the day 1 food stirred in. Nuts are good, so is Complan (no cooking, quite high calories and all the nutritional stuff). Rego for straight after reaching camp. My secret weapon is pain-au-chocolat (work out the energy density!), I use 1 or 2 for day food too. Oatso-Simple is good for breakfast but takes some digesting, can be unpalatable early in the morning too. Some people just use energy bars and energy drink for breakfast - easy to get and quick to digest.
"either a quick pasta meal or possibly my fave is flavoured Smash (+ wedge of butter) and beanfeast. But this plays havoc with the bowels :(." Quote!!!
Hah!!!! Anything that Moley cooks plays havoc with my bowels. :D
I recommend noodles, porridge with plenty of sugar, mash and butter and chocolate - lots of chocolate. Never done a MM before, but knowing the Elan - take something to cheer you up!!!:eek:
I've always taken porridge oats, mixed in a bag with milk powder and sugar so you simply add hot water in the morning, but it has more flavour than just oats and water.
I've also always been a fan of steak and kidney pies. When you're up a hill in the mist and it's been raining all day and you're cold, what would you want? A nice meat pie or a measly cereal bar?! I've never regretted carrying the slightly extra weight, the benefits to moral and energy have always been worth it :). I've had some very jealous glances and comments by other competitors as I tucked into my pies :).
And jelly - no messing around with jelly babies, I just carry a block of jelly and bite off a chunk before each hill to give me a boost.
Jaffa cakes (put in a plastic bag rather than left in the box otherwise the wrapper just rips and you lose them all over the place) to snack on on the move.
Lastly, I have to have a Soreen Malt Loaf. Absolute necessity.
ps - and a miniture bottle of Baileys to put in the hot chocolate on the Saturday night to help me sleep....
Dinner at overnight is a wayfarers meal.
My choices aren't the fast and light option, but for me the food isn't negotiable, it's essential to put in the stodge!
I agree with Sloth, light and fast with the food for overnight camp is not for me :)
Noodles and soup to start, followed by a boil in the bag beef stew and dumplings and a huge quantity of smash, then some kind of cake and custard for dessert, followed by chocolates and minatures. Probably a kg heavier than we could get it down to but boy is it worth it when you've been out in the sh*te all day and have 16 hours in the tent - unadultered luxury :D
Hmm, racked up a bit of spending but reckon the kit is coming together now.
OMM 32l sac
Montane jacket
Helly top and leggings
MSR Pocket Rocket stove
Petzl headtorch...the new elasticated string thing.
900g Karrimor sleeping bag
one large and one small exped drysac
Terra Nova tent
Rest of kit I already have.
Not cheap this MM game, is it?:eek:
Do you have a cheap mug that you can afford to lose?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
Nope, unless you accept you're going to carry more & go slower, then you can manage with whatever you've already got. I've got mates who do this, but like most I want to get the best times I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
Seem to have to buy more stuff for every MM. For the OMM this year I've got:
Montane jacket
Golite overtrews
New set of balloons for the trusty balloon bed
More expensive dried meals, to try to get more calories down me at the overnight camp. I have real problems with my appetite after day 1.
He'll do better on courgettes :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
funnily enough I have been pondering this very question whilst out running this morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splatcher
How many calories do people eat either during the day/evening or over the weekend. I know it depends on weather(temp) and height climb and dist etc
just wondered what you all take
I've got some figures, but I can't get at them just now: I'll look them up tonight when I'm at home. I started with the stuff in Sarah Rowell's book, which gives a bit of guidance on the weight of food some MMers carry, plus how many calories you can in theory absorb while running. Had to adjust this a bit with experience, & I'm still learning. One thing I do is to eat sugar every 3/4 hour on every run over about 10 miles, which is most of the races I do. 4 Thornton's fruit jellies every 45 mins. I'll find the calorie content this evening & post it. 5 jellies makes me feel sick, leaving it longer gives me a low period, presumably low blood sugar. I left it 75 mins by mistake a few weeks ago, & the bonk started coming on, threw jellies down & I was OK in 5 mins. My MM partner manages to eat a lot more than I do at overnight camps, & I find it harder than he does on day 2. Mind you he's a lot younger than me...Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Loads...Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
The main bulk and weight of my rucksack during last years OMM was food...
We decided on non-dehydrated food for Saturday eve, as because of the weather we weren't sure we'd be able to get/keep the stove going for long enough to cook something up so brought pasta that could be eaten cold if needed... on top of that, loads of energy food, high calorie stuff like chocolate, fudge... as well as a small bottle of whiskey, a half litre bladder of red wine and for breakfast we had muesli mixed with milk powder so all we had to do would be poor hot or cold water into the bag and eat streight out of the bag...
Ooh...Forgot to mention my cheapo titanium mug and SuperSpork!:D
Loving all the food suggestions.
Gonna try Moleys fry-up in a bag for brekkie along with some Oatso.
For dinner, one of them dried pasta meals plus loads of smash and gravy for supper.
On the run scoff/drink will include flapjacks, dried strawberries, choccie and viper powder to be mixed with stream water.:cool:
Now, all I need is a willing mule to carry 2 fat cubans and a wee flask of malt for late night bonding at camp.......cooeee, Moley!;)
Used cous cous for the first time at the LAMM this year and it was the business - minmal fuel usejust the packet stuff - tescos own or Ainsley Harriotts. Didn't quite take enough though! Might take some sun dried tomatoes as well next time .. except I'd probably be wanting to take a bottle of red then as well...
(Sorry think I might already have posted this). Nutrigrain bars are good because they are great on the go but also make a fantastic overnight pudding with instant custard powder.
Mule apple strudel energy bars are good as a pud with custard (or icecream, but I reckon that will be hard to get :cool:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grouse
And I have a special wine platypus to decant a bottle in for OMM type purposes, works a treat :D
OK, got my packing lists etc now...Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Breakfast before starting: Lately I are mostly eating egg custards - loads of calories, easy to digest. Or toast & jam. Anyway, as much as I can eat comfortably up to an hour before starting.
Total carried: about 5000 kcals.
On the run: 120 kcals each 45 mins, in the form of 4 Thornton's fruit jellies. Sarah Rowell says you can process a max of 60g of carbs per hour (or 1g per kg body weight), ie 240 kcals of sugar (or a bit more). I've tried it & I seem to get sick at more than 160 kcals/hr. anyone else manage to get 240 down? The longest I've kept this up is 10 hours by the way.
Overnight: Instant mash & dried veg (to be replaced by dried camping meals this OMM), Ainsley Harriott soups & couscous, salted nuts, potless noodles, cheese (for the fat). And cask strength single malt.
I can't manage to eat all the overnight cals though: stomach can't face it. I'm trying to find a way to get more overnight cals down this OMM, including dehydrated puds.
I might up the cals to 5500 for the OMM as well, since we've been bumped up to the A race.
The 'no recceing' the area doesn't appear to be heeded much. Missus was up Drygarn today on a 25 mile walk from Llanwrtyd Wells (part of the 4 day walking festival) and she saw runners all over the place. Very strange, don't think I've seen a solitary runner there in 20 years and all of a sudden........:rolleyes:.
When I was doing sme BGR recce-ing after langdale last year, I bumped into loads of runners... Most readily admitted they were 'recce-ing' the area for the OMM...
I obviously was doing no such thing, however, some of the BGR covered the same ground :D
I REALLY fancy doing the OMM with Moley :D Obviously, I would not need to recce beforehand :D
I will carry the courgettes ;)
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Originally Posted by Hanneke
Just at the moment you would need to carry me (and the courgettes) :(.
< cries > :(:(Quote:
Originally Posted by molehill
I am not strong enough to carry a Moley... :(
Perhaps the OMM cheats would like to mitigate their sins by sharing their knowledge with us???:rolleyes:
The Missus is taking this all far too seriously - she covered 75 miles in 3 days (with one days rest in the middle) over mountain and forest :eek:. I managed my first very gentle 41/2 mile walk on Sunday - all is well :). And I've started to use the MTB again.
Excellent news Moley! Do take it easy though...Quote:
Originally Posted by molehill
Bad news, Missus and Moley are out.
I had a 'heart to heart' with my physio this evening as she stuck needles into my leg (damn, that hurt :eek:).
I might and I might not manage it without agravating the achilles again, if I fail I face another long stretch of rehab, whereas if I'm patient I'm well on the way. I need to decide now, not wait another 2 weeks to see how I go nearer the time. :(
This is terrible news.
who's gonna carry my cubans and bottle of malt to overnight camp now?:confused::p (get fit soon Mr Mole!;))
Gonna do Black Mountains race will full OMM kit this weekend...gotta practise.
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Originally Posted by Wheeze
That should make you grunt a bit - no hills that big on the Elan :).