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...having to pass some of the walkers fannying around! ...
Do you really expect people to get out of the way for you? Yiannis
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[QUOTE=Ady;487821]http://connect.garmin.com/activity/187152706
...having to pass some of the walkers fannying around! ...
Do you really expect people to get out of the way for you? Yiannis
My Garmin had it as 20.14 miles and 5,994ft of ascent. (Plus 4.76 miles back to Llanberis and an additional 32ft of climb).Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ1979
I just worry we're now at a stage in Wales where the organiser makes the call on safety, not the runner, so if a full route is ran, well it must be safe as the full route is ran.. I'd rather it is pushed on to the runner, run slower, wear more clothes navigate, DNF if you get cold, get lost, but enjoy the challenge rather than a shift to marked trail races..
which the 1000m peaks increasingly is.. less and less route choice.. its a 'mountaineers' race, then test mountaineering skills.. as said its the organisers call, but its a race I doubt I'll do again when at the same time of year I could do Jura, Ennerdale, Duddon or OcT and be much more confident of getting the challenge I am after..
There's a difference between mild frontal weather, like the Peris, which was very similar to the full Jura route in 2009, and then 3-4 deg C and strong winds.. The fact that you had a guy out for 27 hrs during the same weather suggests it could have gone.. you'd just have had to wear a jacket and have some sense..
If you want to see lack of sense.. stand at the finger post at Bwlch glass and watch runners and walkers hit the bwlch before they add layers.. then either struggling in westerly gales to put jackets on or getting colder and colder.. it should be pretty obvious that the moment you pop up its going to be breezy..
And now we'll get the blah blah 'organise a race'.. I organise a weekly run, I help out on more paddy's, almost always night legs when most of you lot are tucked up in bed, so I've paid my dues to be able to comment on the future of fell running... Last year I'd been travelling yet someone was going to be doing a paddy leg over the glyders at night, yet didn't know the terrain, so I slept on a rock and waited for a guy I never knew, never met, to show him the route.. I was absolutely knackered but expected few other local runners would be willing to help him..and as expected no one did.. so yes I've given enough back to comment..
given the recent history of tragic events in fell races,i can understand why the organiser changed the route.however,i think they should have cancelled the race altogether or posponed it for Sunday (as the forcast was good for then) than put on a race that is not representative of the origional concept (if you can`t visit all the 1000m peaks ,you can`t call it the 1000m peaks race).As for giving the runners the choice,i think it should still be the organisers call,as he/she has to think about the bigger picture i.e marshalls,timekeepers,emergency services etc
Some pictures from the race:-
http://www.fellrunningpictures.co.uk/1000metre2012.html
I have to say at 07.30 hrs when I discovered the actual revised route I wasn't happy! I did consider binning it, but decided it was, at least, a good training run. I enjoyed it overall, it was a challanging day once you were through Bethesda. I'm with the, apparent, general concensus, in so-much as I think it could have gone on with choices for people to move to shorter routes plus advice as to kit (with kit inspections if the RO felt happier with that), but I can see the RO's position with the history etc. But ultimately it is a mountain challenge, and weather conditions are part of that, thats why we have rules etc re:kit. Just a point re: buses. One of the marshals asked a bus driver to wait and he apparently refused, saying the next bus would pick people up and return them to Ogwen.
Good day tho' in all, nice to chat to couple of people of here...Daz and Nigel.
As I said before this is nothing new...exact same thing happened 24 years ago in '88. It's the nature of the event and its ethos. Don't forget, the running entry is only a part of the event. In many respects, it is not to be considered as a fell race, rather it is a multi-standard point to point endurance event which encompasses a wider philosophy than just fell running. If you approach it like that (and don't try to generalise what may happen with its organisation to pure fell events) then you shouldn't have a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by rocksteady
If I recall correctly, it started as a walking event for climbers versus the military with running classes being tacked on later. So we are guests at someone elses party.
If so, should rain really be an issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
And I think this weekend was different to your 100mph wind experience.. as I said someone did a PBR in those conditions.. which for me says it all..
And I know I'll get.. as I got after Peris-gate.. that its not shortened for front runners but the back of the field.. but why? If you can't cope DNF.. I've done that.. or do we push the idea that you never DNF.. and if a full course is ran its safe to be out?
Not that I was there (or even born), but my Granddad was in the '88 race and accounts for conditions being a lot worse than Saturday - i.e. 100mph winds on the summit of Snowdon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
Completely agree. Fell running is all about self-reliance and it shouldn't the ROs call as to whether everyone in the race will be able to cope - that's up to the individual. In that sense, the Welsh 1000s is safer than a lot of long races in that there are two road crossings where you can drop out should the need be.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
The runner will always have the over-riding decision, because he is only responsible for himself. He can just go out and run the course regardless if he thinks the organiser has made too soft a decision, or he can opt not to do the race at all, if he thinks the conditions are too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
On the other hand the organiser is often in a no-win situation because the law says that he is totally responsible for the runners' safety - even though there are many occasions when it is the individual runner who has the only opportunity to guarantee his own safety.
The legal situation sometimes doesn't make sense in practical terms, but it is the apparatus which will come into play if something goes wrong and this is unlikely to change no matter what we as runners think.