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Danbert Nocurry
Running out of jokes as well as time eh?
I think Ian sums it up quite well. If Man Utd get 3 points at Blackburn they could be 6 - 8 clear by end of April - can't see City getting maximum points at Newcastle, Arsenal and Norwich. 5 points from them would be a decent return, but not enough under the circumstances.
Then it looks like they will have to beat Man Utd as well - as bad as some think they are, they have the momentum, the experience and won't be easy for City.
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IainR
Somehow, with an alcoholic manager with dementia, a fat centre forward, a geriatric midfield, an over rated defence, a shit keeper we have 73 points from 30 games.. 3 more than the team with 300 million pounds worth of talent..
That pretty much sums it up!
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Danbert Nocurry
As others have said though we got robbed against Newcastle by a late penalty.. you get them..
You grabbed a point against Stoke by a lucky deflection..
We got denied a ball to hand penalty last night earlier on.. you got awarded a ball to hand penalty against Chelsea..
Over 38 games the best team wins the league..
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IainR
...You grabbed a point against Stoke by a lucky deflection...
I think you mean that we were denied a win at Stoke by virtue of a "can't legislate for" nail-on Goal Of The Season ;)
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A] Tax break for Premier League players after 2013 as a result of budget.
= £70m.
B] Total school sports budget until 2013.
= £68m.
Maybe this should have been on the budget thread but as its football related thought I'd share. I'd love to know if this figure is true, been given it by a Senior Teacher at my school.
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biara
A] Tax break for Premier League players after 2013 as a result of budget.= £70m.B] Total school sports budget until 2013.= £68m.Maybe this should have been on the budget thread but as its football related thought I'd share. I'd love to know if this figure is true, been given it by a SEnior Teacher at my school.
Dunno, but wouldn't it be great if we could just persuade the premier league players to donate the money in a philanthropic gesture. Stranger things have happened!
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Originally Posted by
Witton Park
Running out of jokes as well as time eh?
I think Ian sums it up quite well. If Man Utd get 3 points at Blackburn they could be 6 - 8 clear by end of April - can't see City getting maximum points at Newcastle, Arsenal and Norwich. 5 points from them would be a decent return, but not enough under the circumstances.
Then it looks like they will have to beat Man Utd as well - as bad as some think they are, they have the momentum, the experience and won't be easy for City.
United are like a boxer now, looking for the bell.
They have punched themselves to a standstill in a bid to keep up and have little left.
As long as we do our job, we will be champions. :)
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Originally Posted by
Danbert Nocurry
United are like a boxer now, looking for the bell.
They have punched themselves to a standstill in a bid to keep up and have little left.
As long as we do our job, we will be champions. :)
I know.. but the fact is 6 games 6 wins..
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/m...orm-guide.html
I think both teams are stumbling and tired.. its why the return of Tevez's energy is so crucial.. and why Valencia is our best player at the moment...
If we can get 85+ then we've had a good season.... its quite incredible that after all the investment and record breaking start to the season, United have daylight at the top. Just being here now is probably one of Fergie's greatest achievements.. no other man in football could get us here.. 73 points from 30 games.. almost 2.5 points a game...
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At the end of the Bradford vs Crawley match last night.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17536760
The Crawley manager described it as "handbags".
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Originally Posted by
Danbert Nocurry
United are like a boxer now, looking for the bell.
They have punched themselves to a standstill in a bid to keep up and have little left.
As long as we do our job, we will be champions. :)
I think you got the clubs the wrong way around there! 4 points from 9 and lucky to get away with 3 of them. You could have done with the bell in February.
If we want to use a boxing analogy I'd say that the the Ali - Foreman Rumble in the Jungle is apt.
City are looking like the victims of a Fergie "Rope a Dope" :)
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Muddy Retriever
This ones more like the Thriller in Manila :D
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Danbert... United wannabees.. 'Manchester City support Patrick in his strong feelings on this matter and have confirmed to the BBC that the reporter will now be banned from all Manchester City media activity.'
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IainR
Danbert... United wannabees.. 'Manchester City support Patrick in his strong feelings on this matter and have confirmed to the BBC that the reporter will now be banned from all Manchester City media activity.'
Vieira is only stating what the rest of the world feels Iain - though it has been twisted by the journo.
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Danbert Nocurry
Vieira is only stating what the rest of the world feels Iain - though it has been twisted by the journo.
Oh the irony... the rest of the world thinks that due to BBC highlights...
Look at the City challenge? Barry against stoke?
Newcastle - Rio challenge?
Hand ball this week by Fulham player similar to Essiens?
United get more penalties than most.. you'd expect that.. we have spent more time attacking the opposition, camped in their box than any other team in the history of the league..
Say.. you get a penalty claim every 1 in 10 attacks.. 1 in 4 are given.. therefore United do get more decisions.. which you'd expect.. I don't think we get favours though..
I think refs do try to even decisions out.. if they give a harsh penalty one way the give the other too often.. if tehy deny one.. they deny the other team.. that happened on Monday...
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IainR
Iain can you believe the arrogance of this from United?
http://i42.tinypic.com/1glliw.jpg
It's the best team talk that Mancini could give for any game, that pinned up in the dressing room with 8 games to go
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Danbert Nocurry
It's the best team talk that Mancini could give for any game, that pinned up in the dressing room with 8 games to go
Problem is though you need United to slip up. You could win every game from now and still not do it.
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Hank
Problem is though you need United to slip up. You could win every game from now and still not do it.
True Hank - but what about the arrogance of that T shirt? Actually I love the slight dig at the amount of money we've spent, it's as if they think their sides have been built around homegrown players. £483,150,000. That's how much United have spent on players in the Premiership era.
£7m Andy Cole 1994
£12.6m Dwight Yorke 1998
£10.75m Jaap Stam 1998
£7.8m Fabien Barthez 1999
£19m Ruud Van Nistelrooy 2001
£6.9m Diego Forlan 2001
£33m Rio Ferdinand 2002
£6.9m Gabriel Henize 2003
£7m Alan Smith 2003
£12.82m Louis Saha 2003
£12.2m Cristiano Ronaldo 2003
£27m Wayne Rooney 2004
£7m Nemanja Vidiv 2005
£18.6m Michael Carrick 2006
£9m Carlos Tevez 2007
£13.5m Nani 2007
£15m Anderson 2007
£17m Owen Hargreaves 2007
£30.75m Dimitar Berbatov 2008
£16m Antonio Valencia 2009
£10m Chris Smalling 2010
£17m Phil Jones 2011
£17m Ashley Young 2011
£18.9m David De Gea 2011
That's just a selection of players, some of whom I'd completely forgotten cost so much, I mean £17m for Hargreaves, £18.6m for Carrick, £12.82m for Saha, £12.6m for Dwight Yorke, and that's in 1998 so with 14 years of football based inflation you can likely double that, at least, in real terms. United, since the Premier League began, have spent huge sums of money to be at the very top, it's hypocritical in the extreme for them to suggest money doesn't buy success. It does, and has, in Trafford. :sneaky:
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I'm most disappointed you forgot Veron! £28m of nothing.
Yeah, it would be hypocritical of United to criticise City for spending cash to attain success. All successful clubs need to splash the cash. That's football.
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Originally Posted by
Hank
You could win every game from now and still not do it.
only if ManU win their other 7 and amass a greater goal difference than us
so it's still in our own hands
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DazTheSlug
only if ManU win their other 7 and amass a greater goal difference than us
so it's still in our own hands
Hmmm... yes, good point!
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Re: Tonight's football thread
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Originally Posted by
Danbert Nocurry
True Hank - but what about the arrogance of that T shirt? Actually I love the slight dig at the amount of money we've spent, it's as if they think their sides have been built around homegrown players. £483,150,000. That's how much United have spent on players in the Premiership era.
£7m Andy Cole 1994
£12.6m Dwight Yorke 1998
£10.75m Jaap Stam 1998
£7.8m Fabien Barthez 1999
£19m Ruud Van Nistelrooy 2001
£6.9m Diego Forlan 2001
£33m Rio Ferdinand 2002
£6.9m Gabriel Henize 2003
£7m Alan Smith 2003
£12.82m Louis Saha 2003
£12.2m Cristiano Ronaldo 2003
£27m Wayne Rooney 2004
£7m Nemanja Vidiv 2005
£18.6m Michael Carrick 2006
£9m Carlos Tevez 2007
£13.5m Nani 2007
£15m Anderson 2007
£17m Owen Hargreaves 2007
£30.75m Dimitar Berbatov 2008
£16m Antonio Valencia 2009
£10m Chris Smalling 2010
£17m Phil Jones 2011
£17m Ashley Young 2011
£18.9m David De Gea 2011
That's just a selection of players, some of whom I'd completely forgotten cost so much, I mean £17m for Hargreaves, £18.6m for Carrick, £12.82m for Saha, £12.6m for Dwight Yorke, and that's in 1998 so with 14 years of football based inflation you can likely double that, at least, in real terms. United, since the Premier League began, have spent huge sums of money to be at the very top, it's hypocritical in the extreme for them to suggest money doesn't buy success. It does, and has, in Trafford. :sneaky:
I really shouldn't reply... you are losing it Danbert... I can imagine you know pointing at the computer screen ranting 'I'd love it if we beat them..'
Yeah we've spent, not as much as others, we've also brought through more kids than almost any team in the league. But We've contended with Blakburns millions, Liverpools millions under Houllier and Benitez, now Dalglish, your millions.
Every one spends.. but we've a) not spent as much as others.. and most importantly) b) made a profit.. i..e sustainable growth and c) won..
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Good point by Fergie on decisions.. when Ballotelli should have been sent off against spurs then scored the winner... if we are talking of hypocrits..
Then arrogance.. and no team talk needed...
'Welcome to Manchester'.. I say no more..
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Originally Posted by
IainR
Surprised that they didn't mention Evans sending off against City - I though that was a bit harsh and certainly a game hanger.
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Originally Posted by
Witton Park
Surprised that they didn't mention Evans sending off against City - I though that was a bit harsh and certainly a game hanger.
Thing is Mancini is coming out as weak.. using Vieira to speak out.. we should bring back Keane.. he knew how to shut Vieira up..
But also saying refs favour United is questioning the integrity of referees.. something Fergie has been banned for... but yet again the FA won't act..
City player misses drugs test.. small fine..
United player misses drugs test 8 month ban...
And United are favoured...
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Originally Posted by
Danbert Nocurry
True Hank - but what about the arrogance of that T shirt? Actually I love the slight dig at the amount of money we've spent, it's as if they think their sides have been built around homegrown players. £483,150,000. That's how much United have spent on players in the Premiership era.
£7m Andy Cole 1994
£12.6m Dwight Yorke 1998
£10.75m Jaap Stam 1998
£7.8m Fabien Barthez 1999
£19m Ruud Van Nistelrooy 2001
£6.9m Diego Forlan 2001
£33m Rio Ferdinand 2002
£6.9m Gabriel Henize 2003
£7m Alan Smith 2003
£12.82m Louis Saha 2003
£12.2m Cristiano Ronaldo 2003
£27m Wayne Rooney 2004
£7m Nemanja Vidiv 2005
£18.6m Michael Carrick 2006
£9m Carlos Tevez 2007
£13.5m Nani 2007
£15m Anderson 2007
£17m Owen Hargreaves 2007
£30.75m Dimitar Berbatov 2008
£16m Antonio Valencia 2009
£10m Chris Smalling 2010
£17m Phil Jones 2011
£17m Ashley Young 2011
£18.9m David De Gea 2011
That's just a selection of players, some of whom I'd completely forgotten cost so much, I mean £17m for Hargreaves, £18.6m for Carrick, £12.82m for Saha, £12.6m for Dwight Yorke, and that's in 1998 so with 14 years of football based inflation you can likely double that, at least, in real terms. United, since the Premier League began, have spent huge sums of money to be at the very top, it's hypocritical in the extreme for them to suggest money doesn't buy success. It does, and has, in Trafford. :sneaky:
This is typical Danbert bollocks...we've recouped £305,840.00 of that making a net transfer spend of £8.8m per season since the start of the Premier League - about the same as Tottenham and below Chelsea, Liverpool and.....
Man City? Spent £649,180,000 and recouped £166,053,000 making a net transfer spend of £24.1m per season since the start of the Premier League. Nearly 3 times as much and bear in mind most of their spending has come in the last few years.
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Originally Posted by
Hank
I'm most disappointed you forgot Veron! £28m of nothing.
Yeah, it would be hypocritical of United to criticise City for spending cash to attain success. All successful clubs need to splash the cash. That's football.
So why haven't Liverpool, who have spent more than Utd during the Premier League era, won the Premier League?
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/
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Man City just in the last four years and not since the start of the Premier League like Danbert's were:
Stefan Savic : £6,000,000 (11/12)
Gael Clichy : £7,000,000 (11/12)
Sergio Aguero : £38,000,000 (11/12)
Costel Pantilimon : £3,000,000 (11/12)
Samir Nasri : £22,000,000 (11/12)
TOTAL : £76,000,000
Jerome Boateng : £11,000,000 (10/11)
Yaya Toure : £24,000,000 (10/11)
David Silva : £25,000,000 (10/11)
Aleksandar Kolarov : £17,000,000 (10/11)
Mario Balotelli : £24,500,000 (10/11)
James Milner : £26,000,000 (10/11)
Edin Dzeko : £27,000,000 (10/11)
TOTAL : £154,750,000
Gareth Barry : £12,000,000 (09/10)
Roque Santa Cruz : £17,500,000 (09/10)
Carlos Tevez : £25,500,000 (09/10)
Emmanuel Adebayor : £25,000,000 (09/10)
Kolo Toure : £16,000,000 (09/10)
Joleon Lescott : £22,000,000 (09/10)
Adam Johnson : £7,000,000 (09/10)
TOTAL : £125,000,000
Jo : £18,000,000 (08/09)
Tal Ben-Haim : £5,000,000 (08/09)
Vincent Kompany : £6,700,000 (08/09)
Shaun Wright-Phillips : £9,000,000 (08/09)
Pablo Zabaleta : £6,500,000 (08/09)
Robinho : £32,500,000 (Ha ha ha ha) (08/09)
Wayne Bridge : £12,000,000 (08/09)
Craig Bellamy : £14,000,000 (08/09)
Nigel De Jong : £16,000,000 (08/09)
Shay Given : £8,000,000 (08/09)
TOTAL £127,700,000
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Scary thing for Man U is how many donkeys they have bought, NOT MANY!!! Fergie is scarily good in the transfer market, most of his big money spends have done well (apart from Veron). Wenger I don't think is so good, some of the big spends have flopped big time, he buys quite a few players but seems to do better with the middle market buys....
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biara
Scary thing for Man U is how many donkeys they have bought, NOT MANY!!! Fergie is scarily good in the transfer market, most of his big money spends have done well (apart from Veron). Wenger I don't think is so good, some of the big spends have flopped big time, he buys quite a few players but seems to do better with the middle market buys....
I don't think that Wenger's that bad generally but he's awful at spotting good defenders
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TheHeathens
I don't think that Wenger's that bad generally but he's awful at spotting good defenders
Sylvain Wiltord, Reyes, Baptista (albeit he was a loan signing) Francis Jeffers(aka 'the fox in the box'), Richard Wright, Luis Boa Morte, Giovanni Van Bronckhurst (who was good just never at Arsenal), Kaba Diawara, Christopher Wreh, Aliadiere and I haven't even started on the defenders. Anyone remember Stepanovs, Luzhny and Cygan?
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TheHeathens
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Jo : £18,000,000 (08/09)
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That's a cracker - I thnk Danbert should keep quiet - I need the looo :D £18 Million !!!!
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Reyes was class... destroyed teams..<br><br>But he never quite did it enough.<br><br>Fergie has had a few flops, but not many. Veron was as much a teams failings as his, he was sometimes just too clever and we couldn't accommodate him and scholes.<br><br>Berbertov has scored 1 every 2 but didn't fit the United style well enough.<br><br>Most of the big signings worked well though.<br><br>United, like Liverpool do suffer with players not being able to cope with being here. Liverpool more so though. I think Adam, Bellamy, Carroll, have all suffered with that. <br><br>But I remember the ridculing for Ronaldo.. 12 million on a skinny kid who could just do step overs.. no replacement for Beckham..
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TheHeathens
Man City just in the last four years and not since the start of the Premier League like Danbert's were:
The fact of it is - you've spent about £40m less on transfer fees in the duration of the prem (not adjusted for inflation) than us, and for about all of that time your wage bill has been astronomically higher than ours.
As i said - it's hypocritical in the extreme for you rags to suggest money doesn't buy success. It does, and has, in Trafford
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You are ignoring recouped transfer fees...
oh and 12 premier league titles.. 2 European cups.. but who's counting..
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Danbert Nocurry
As i said - it's hypocritical in the extreme for you rags to suggest money doesn't buy success. It does, and has, in Trafford
Come on.. that's silly.. Chelsea have spent more than us and won less.. you need money for success.. you can't buy it..
If you could why haven't Chelsea won 6 titles in a row..
Look at Madrid? How much have they spent over the years.. A totally corrupt club who have spent millions and millions.. billions.. sustainably to be saved by the royal family every time...
Was it the last time the Royal family bought their training ground off them for the cost of their debt.. just by chance..?
But you are right.. we shouldm't attack City.. I think its great.. this is millions into Manchester.. the two top clubs in England..
I supported City when they went down because I wanted this.. any proper Manc would.. Manchester 1-2.. It makes being 1 sweeter but you want the huge games... the lows of the 6-1.. the highs of the 3-2.. that's soccer.. (I'm americanized..)
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Danbert Nocurry
The fact of it is - you've spent about £40m less on transfer fees in the duration of the prem (not adjusted for inflation) than us, and for about all of that time your wage bill has been astronomically higher than ours.
Your maths is awful then. We've spent £166m less than you.
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As i said - it's hypocritical in the extreme for you rags to suggest money doesn't buy success. It does, and has, in Trafford
Chelsea would have been a better example - we've spent £8.8m (net) per season since the start of the Premier League - hardly astronomical.
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biara
Sylvain Wiltord, Reyes, Baptista (albeit he was a loan signing) Francis Jeffers(aka 'the fox in the box'), Richard Wright, Luis Boa Morte, Giovanni Van Bronckhurst (who was good just never at Arsenal), Kaba Diawara, Christopher Wreh, Aliadiere and I haven't even started on the defenders. Anyone remember Stepanovs, Luzhny and Cygan?
Cygan - an absolute chump of a player.
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TheHeathens
Your maths is awful then. We've spent £166m less than you.
Sorry but I don't see it like that, show me the evidence. In the mean time on behalf of the Sheikh and all City fans, thanks everyone for panic buying petrol!:w00t:
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Danbert Nocurry
Sorry but I don't see it like that, show me the evidence. In the mean time on behalf of the Sheikh and all City fans, thanks everyone for panic buying petrol!:w00t:
It's quoted on the exact same source you got your figure from!! I've linked to it earlier in the thread but here it is again:
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/
