Smaller/older devices just held a date as 31/12/99. But then when it went to the next day that would be 01/01/00. A Device without 4 digit years would treat that as been Janurary 1st 1900.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
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Smaller/older devices just held a date as 31/12/99. But then when it went to the next day that would be 01/01/00. A Device without 4 digit years would treat that as been Janurary 1st 1900.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
That would have been fun, going back 100 years and no EU to tell us what to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Thank you Dr PB. Every day a school day!
However it's not quite so straightforward as all the tech geeks sorting it out. They'd hardly put all them hours in would they and then all shrug and say there was never a problem in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
We were told all our electronic devices at home would go kaput, so whilst the FTSE companies may have re-recruited retired programmers, my tumble dryer, washing machine etc didn't pack in as we'd been led to believe.
Led to believe by idiotic reporting. As I said above it is only devices with internal clocks that had potential issues. Domestic devices such as tumbler dryers would have timers but not clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
If you test something and it turns out to be OK then was the testing a waste of time and money?
No, just used wars instead sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Anybody on here watching Game of Thrones? What did you think of the murderous attack on King's Landing?
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Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
and I think there we have it.
All the news channels are reporting that British Steel going tits up is due to Brexit. That may or may not be the case but they are not reporting that our Government cannot bail them out because the EU won’t let them.
Biased again as usual.
Hopefully when Brexits finally over we will start getting self sufficient and stop relying on Europe for everything. We were once kings of Europe now we are a nation of call centres and teachers. Manufacturing, big Industry, where is it now? We've got big white windmills up and down the land, have we ever seen any of the flour from them? No. Cos it probably all gets sent to bloody Europe.
A genuinely quixotic post.
I see Teresa May is going to have a go at getting a parliamentary majority for rehashed deal (or rather agreement) number 4. Already MPs from all parties are lining up to state they won't back it.
Again, Teresa May seems to be trying to position the false option of her deal or no deal.
It's hard to see a way out of the current impasse. Let's say May is toppled and a genuine euro-sceptic takes control of the conservatives and therefore government. They'll still have to get any course of action through parliament, which doesn't seem likely for any outcome. What then? Another election to try to get a majority of
conservative eurosceptic MPs in the house? That would be very risky. Another referendum? I can't see the conservatives going for that either.
What's your money on?
Of course for those interested in truth the company with no ferries " fiasco" which was actually a very sensible and necessary act, which publicity is all part of the inability of media to report on serious issues objectively,Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
(and labour leaderships inability to connect with the real world at any level.)
Facts:
1/ enhanced capacity is needed when EU decide to play silly games at customs with no deal. Eu are determined to be awkward , prefererring lose lose by no negotiation. The timing or need of no deal infrastructure both ill defined.
2/ you cannot commit either ships or the cost of ships to a contingency plan for something that may not happen,
So what to do? Easy. Do what the commercial world does,
3/ Buy an option to purchase resource for a fraction of the cost of the actual resource infrastructure offered by parties in a position to fulfill the option on demand
( in this case a shell conpany underwritten by one of Ireland biggest ferry companies with plenty of infrastructure) The exercise of the option is legally binding. A perfectly normal contingency plan since the cost of ships is eye watering. So the cost of an option is not cheap.
4/ The incompetent commentators and lay posters who attack it should recognise much of the world works this way.
Much of the energy market runs on traded options and futures. Companies doing future trade often hedge currency movements with options. Companies with large demand fluctuation sometimes hedge resource or commodities by options.
Or you can do what the hopelessly ill informed media , even worse informed labour leadership, and with them much of the then ill informed population do.
Mock a company with no ships. The joke is on those who fail to understand the necessity of it.
I despair of how stupid much of the comment and media are. I despair of how illinformed most remainers are about their precious EU. I am still waiting for a valid remainerer argument.
Tata sold British Steel for £1 back in 2016. It had been struggling for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
It doesn't compete much with Chinese steel, as BS produces typically higher grade product.
The main issue was energy - and still is. UK heavy industry pays 63.2% more than the EU15 average. This is almost entirely due to policies around climate change and how we implement them in the UK.
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The UK Govt introduced relief measures to rebalance this anomaly, but the competitor countries on the Continent have done similar so the differential has been maintained.
As the EU is British Steels biggest market, it's competitiveness is compromised.
And now we have the economic downturn in the EU again.
So this isn't really an EU issue. It is a Government energy policy and EU economy problem.
But it is also true, that had we already left, we could by now consider UK procurement policy where Govt could write in to contracts for infrastructure, ships etc. that we buy UK Steel wherever possible. Something they cannot do now.
It would surely be better to pay 5-10% more than international market rate and help sustain a key strategic industry than keep having to chuck 100s of millions at it in state aid.
It is a tough call Noel.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
My money is on
May goes
New Tory leader, probably Johnson.
New approach seeking to bind in all Tory MPs on the back of new leader's appointment which will include no deal - anyone now buying in to it, whip removed.
There are about 10 Remain MPs left in the Tories that have persistently blocked May. But she lost any authority in 2017. A new leader will have a chance to pull rank and the DUP will support, along with perhaps half a dozen Labour.
So it has a chance to go through.
If it cannot get through Parliament, General Election in Autumn.
That might not breal the impasse, but I thuink it will. The Tory MPs blocking the new PM would be moved on and replaced by new candidates.
A Leave PM guaranteeing the UK leaving could swing back many if not all of the Brexit Party votes, including Labour ones, as quick as the Brexit Party has mopped them up.
In fact, Farage would probably only stand candidates against standing Remain MPs in such a situation.
Leaving withoout a deal would mean tarrifs on UK steel going to the EU, which would probably wipe out that market. Even if UK industry was "encouraged" to buy UK produced product would that be enough to support the company, I think not. The EU is trying to protect domistically produced steel with the tarrifs in imposed on China a couple of years ago. If the UK goes it alone would it impose the same tarrifs on China? Not a good start to the new global UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...rt-talbot-tata
Do any other EU countries have nationalised steel companies? I hear people state the government can't act because of EU regulations. From my limited understanding here, that precludes state subsidy, but does it also preclude state ownership?
I think a general election is the most likely outcome because the parliamentary arithmetic won't have changed. Although I am voting for the Brexit Party at the EU elections tomorrow I will revert back to the Tories if a proper Brexiteer becomes Prime Minister (not that it would make any difference in my safe Labour constituency).Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
My fear is that many others won't be so forgiving after the last few years of hopeless negotiation and that a large Brexit Party vote will allow Corbyn in through the middle. Now that would be a catastrophe for the country. A lot depends on the strategy of Farage as you have alluded to. He has been scathing of Johnson and Raab though because they voted for May's WA at the third time of asking.
It's not so cut and dry Pat.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Yes there will be tariffs on steel in to the EU which will affect British Steel, but there will also be tariffs on steel from the EU.
That's assuming it's WTO standard terms and the EU don't agree a GATT 24 as we are now.
In 2017 exports to the EU were £2.7B in Chapter 72 "Iron and Steel" set against imports of £3.3B
So there may be opportunities to gain more business here in the UK just by the introduction of tariffs as prices for EU manufactured steel will increase by circa 10%.
Also the UK Govt (for example) in the contracts for Naval Vessels, will be able to specify the use of British Steel where possible in the contracts.
In that guardian article I linked it mentioned the UK imports about half of the steel it uses. Partly becasue particular types of steel are not produced in the UK.
correct. that was also an issue for the US when the put anti dumping duty on EU steel, as they had to buy some technical steel from the UK as we are the only ones that make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
But it is not the case across the board and duties cut both ways.
Domino's "Hi Sir, My name is Theresa, how can I help you?"
Me "Hi Theresa, I'd like a 12" Margherita with Prosciutto, mushrooms, salami and an egg with a soft yolk on top. Can you deliver?"
Theresa "No problem Sir, it will be with you in 30 minutes."
10 minutes later...
Theresa "Hi it's me again. No eggs, sorry sir. Do you still want to proceed? Perhaps add another topping? Chef says the soft yoke is a pain anyway so just as well"
Me "Just go ahead without. It'll be fine".
10 minutes later.....
Theresa "Hi Sir, it's Theresa again. The kitchen tell me the Prosciutto isn't a good idea, they suggest honey roast ham. The prosciutto can dry up a bit in the oven. Is that OK sir?
Me "Yes, but you said 30 minutes. I'm getting hungry now and I have other stuff to do. How long?"
Theresa "Just an extra 10 minutes sir if that's OK. We'll crack on with it now we have that cleared up. I think you've made a wise choice".
10 minutes later......
Theresa "Sir, can I tempt you with the offer we have on today? It's the Hawaiian. It has ham on, and we'll add some mushrooms free of charge, so it won't be a million miles away from what you ordered, which was a little impractical wasn't it sir? We also had our nutritionist have a look at your original order and let's just say she thinks the Hawaiin is in your best interests. A little less protein and saturated fat and you get 2 of your 5 a day"
Me "Yes, just get on with it. Just get me a pizza here in the next 15 minutes."
Domino's "It will probably be 20 minutes yet sir. These things take time."
Me "OK, get on with it"
20 minutes later...
Me "Where's my pizza? I'm here, hungry and nothing yet and we are over 50 minutes since I first ordered. It was supposed to be here in 30!
Theresa "Sorry sir, your address is over the bridge. It's log jam. Our delivery van is caught up in it. Won't be long"
10 minutes later....
Theresa "Sorry sir. There's been a little mishap. the van has overturned on a sharp bend a few minutes away from you. Your Hawaiin looks more like a Calzone. Our driver is OK and say's he'll bring on foot if you still want it. It can be with you in 10."
Me "JUST GET IT TO ME!!!!!"
15 minutes later....
Me "Theresa, where the hell is my pizza???"
Domino's "Sorry Sir, Theresa has left now. I'm Amber. What can I do for you?"
Me "I have a pizza order that should have been delivered over 30 minutes ago."
Amber "Do you know what you ordered sir?"
Me "Hello, is that Papa John's?"
Papa John's "Yes, Nige here. What can I do for you sir?"
Another one from the otherpoint of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Some of you have probably allready seen this.
Apparently the waitress is Alastair Campbell's daughter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CldNSGlPpT8
Love it..
Except somewhere along the line was (repeat 10 times in different forms...)
Theresa "I know you asked for it, but you dont really want a pizza,its not very good for you.. So I am busy creating this for you instead : covering a turd with cheese and tomato , to make it look like a pizza, but its better for you.......ill give you a couple of toppings if you accept it"
Me. No. For the umpteenth time, I really do want a s**dd****ng pizza...
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Originally Posted by Witton Park
Interesting Article, The final line really sums up the issues facing the EU going forward.
As expected the answer to the question in the headline "Are the British really as xenophobic as they’ve been made out to be since Brexit?"
is very much "NO".
"Meanwhile the EU faces a philosophical crisis of its own, and it’s much worse than just Britain quitting. All Britain wants to do is leave - the likes of Hungary and Poland want to stay, and use their influence to challenge the liberal values on which the Union was founded. As painful as the British have made their departure, it’s time to consider who we’re being left behind with."
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-...exit-1.3910892
It is true. Except for this "As painful as the British have made their departure,"Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Barnier , Varadkar and others made it painful. It did not need to be. Right boot. Wrong foot. They are refusing to negotiate, how do these morons think it will help?
The problem is economic implosion will occur before social implosion.
Brussels stupidity knows no bounds in enforcing ideology over common sense
See this as I predicted : Brussels is sitting on a card tower and determined to kick away the base.
They have bullied countries before, such as Greece, EU cant help itself. It seems to have forgotten italy is too big to save and too big to fail, and past the point of no return.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-Luigi-Di-Maio
However, while not everyone who voted for Brexit are racist - they are largely delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Phew that's a relief, we're not all racist, just delusional. Good to see him extending the olive branch like that. I would have expected a journalist to be more grammatically correct though. Even a delusional thick Brexiteer like me can tell it should be "not everyone who voted for Brexit is racist"
I shall smile all day after reading that post.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
Insults are of course cheap, and they say more about the insulter than the insulted party.
But tell me Graham. I am genuinely interested.
Within the confines of what the EU actually does and is responsible for ,
(therefore european holidays or the ability to buy bianchi bikes are off limits because access to them is not contingent on being in EU)
what is YOUR prime argument for remain?
Other than a warm cosy feeling of "belonging" to europe whatever that means.
It is easy to list the downsides, where is the upside?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
I guess the success of the British economy over the past decades would be an advantage of being a member.
I know my own country has been positively transformed by its EU membership.
Success?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Really?
I listen to lots of MPs and commentators and they can't wait to trash the performance of the UK economy.
How much have we heard about poverty?
Inequality?
Stagnant productivity?
If you go back 20 years the growth has been pretty dismal, uninspiring, but this is rather old ground.
The figures show something along the lines of the USA outperforming the UK by 46% since Maastricht and the UK has actually slightly outperformed the Eurozone over the same period.
In terms of Ireland, they have received NET around 40 Billion since they joined in 1973, so they haven't done too bad have they.
Of course it is not perfect and leaving the EU is necessary to fix those very important issues you have higlighted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Pat, Eire has done really well out of EU as a net beneficiary....and rightly so under the terms of the EU membership model.
Britains economic success over past decades has a lot more to do with the massive injection of cash from the North Sea Oil in the 80's and the successful development of the service sector/City financial market than any advantage of being an EU member.
Oh Oracle! Who are you by the way? Skulking and sniping behind a carapace of anonymity - do you even deserve a response?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
My delight was purely with Muddy Retriever's grammatical observation and dry humour. Nothing to do with Brexit. Oh my dear!
Notwithstanding and to display my renowned largesse...
At the time of the referendum I favoured remain. I thought the many faults of the EU could be sorted by the UK being inside as a "big beast", along with other discontented countries. In a previous existence I held a pendulum view of organisational change: things generally go too far, but then are brought back,...etc. (It's a metaphor so do not overanalyse).
The other aspect, and I do not wish to reprise my previous comments, is that by leaving the UK was never, never, never going to achieve a "good deal" (in another previous existence I worked in industrial relations) - as we all now clearly see, oh so clearly. So better never to have left than finish where we are now.
Of course things may improve with the incoming EU regime but, to use another negotiation cliché: after you have stripped the other guy naked then offer him a loin cloth to preserve his dignity and he will weep in gratitude for your generosity.
So here we are. One UK begging bowl but many politicians squabbling over who can be tossed the EU crust, and all dominated by which course of action will win the next General Election.
And on your other favourite topic: even a Bianchi doesn't turn a carthorse into a stallion. Primoz Roglic came only 3rd in the Giro, although that may be down to his team (Jumbo-Visma) using Shimano groupsets, whereas I, of course, ride Campagnolo - as, I note, did the Giro winner. :)
You read things that aren't there Pat,Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
The productivity needs fixing and yes I believe the UK can do that better outside. As for the others, red herrings.
The point I was trying to make is that it's the very same people who trash the performance of the UK economy who claim the EU has been of huge benefit.
Genuine question, but who are you refering to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
But there of course is the problem: you have no positive reason, just as Cameron and Osbourne could not identify a single one and were forced into negative selling of leaving, just as you did. Of course there could have been a win win deal. .Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
You , like Cameron and Osbourne just feared the vindictive nastiness of unelected ideologues who have presided over the expensive dysfunction that is the EU. That is a reason to leave not stay! As is the fact they refused to even do a minimum to help sway the vote in favour of stay. So there is no "improvement" or remain and reform possible. I have pointed at the stupidity with which EU now attempts to bully italy kicking away at their own foundations in the process. Eu always has let rules trump sense.
As for equlibrium and rebalance, it is simply not so. The construction of the euro favours positive feedback not negative. It is inherently unstable which is why all previous currency unions have failed. The rich get richer and the poorer get poorer and those with nothing have nothing to lose, which is why it is dangerous having 50 percent youth unemployment becoming angry young adults who will blame the EU. We really are at the limits of ECB and target2, and Italies debt is still increasing as it must. All it needs is bondholders to be spooked and the entire edifice will come crashing down. The banks of europe are in worse shape than they were before the last crash. Thats why deutsche bank shares have been sliding for years.
Meanwhile the growth rate of other substantial trading countries outshines that of the EU, precisely because EU is an inefficient protection zone. For that reason just being out is a good deal. 1 percent a year growth better than EU compounded, will do just nicely. It just takes vision, to see what we could become as singapore of the north.
It seems I will not win the Giro because of Shimano then. I knew there must be a reason other than athleticity. I am stuck, where (I believe) you were once, with the Boardman Carbon and Ultegra.
I still have both my Boardmans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
For when it rains.:)
I have swapped mine out for Ultegra wheels and Gatorskin tyres just for that added security! I finally yielded to fit a compact because of age and decrepitude,( and to get up the hill not far from Noels front door). But I digress....Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
That is a good point. I think Graham B shares Michael Gove's view that the EU can be changed but they argue from different positions I.E. Remain and Leave. Gove was one of those Tories who thought if we just leave NOW then we can change the things we don't like over time. Big mistake! As Rees-Mogg and others have pointed out, trying to untangle yourself from the huge muddle of EU red tape is something that would be a nightmare. We'd be walking along and the EU would be constantly sticking it's foot out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
But coming back to Graham B for a moment. On the one hand he was telling us how principled the EU were for sticking to their guns, now he's telling us that we should have remained and changed it from the inside. I think the real issue for Graham B is he's worried about not being able to ride his Bianchi in Italy when we leave the EU.
Oracle you've given us your views on why we should get out of the EU. What I'd like to know from you now is what you'd like to happen next vs what you expect to happen?
But surely CL that is exactly why God gave us two hands?Quote:
Originally Posted by CL
Oh no! God is involved in the Brexit debate now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze