Brexit

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But there of course is the problem: you have no positive reason, just as Cameron and Osbourne could not identify a single one and were forced into negative selling of leaving, just as you did. Of course there could have been a win win deal. .

You , like Cameron and Osbourne just feared the vindictive nastiness of unelected ideologues who have presided over the expensive dysfunction that is the EU. That is a reason to leave not stay! As is the fact they refused to even do a minimum to help sway the vote in favour of stay. So there is no "improvement" or remain and reform possible. I have pointed at the stupidity with which EU now attempts to bully italy kicking away at their own foundations in the process. Eu always has let rules trump sense.

As for equlibrium and rebalance, it is simply not so. The construction of the euro favours positive feedback not negative. It is inherently unstable which is why all previous currency unions have failed. The rich get richer and the poorer get poorer and those with nothing have nothing to lose, which is why it is dangerous having 50 percent youth unemployment becoming angry young adults who will blame the EU. We really are at the limits of ECB and target2, and Italies debt is still increasing as it must. All it needs is bondholders to be spooked and the entire edifice will come crashing down. The banks of europe are in worse shape than they were before the last crash. Thats why deutsche bank shares have been sliding for years.


Meanwhile the growth rate of other substantial trading countries outshines that of the EU, precisely because EU is an inefficient protection zone. For that reason just being out is a good deal. 1 percent a year growth better than EU compounded, will do just nicely. It just takes vision, to see what we could become as singapore of the north.

It seems I will not win the Giro because of Shimano then. I knew there must be a reason other than athleticity. I am stuck, where (I believe) you were once, with the Boardman Carbon and Ultegra.

That is a good point. I think Graham B shares Michael Gove's view that the EU can be changed but they argue from different positions I.E. Remain and Leave. Gove was one of those Tories who thought if we just leave NOW then we can change the things we don't like over time. Big mistake! As Rees-Mogg and others have pointed out, trying to untangle yourself from the huge muddle of EU red tape is something that would be a nightmare. We'd be walking along and the EU would be constantly sticking it's foot out.

But coming back to Graham B for a moment. On the one hand he was telling us how principled the EU were for sticking to their guns, now he's telling us that we should have remained and changed it from the inside. I think the real issue for Graham B is he's worried about not being able to ride his Bianchi in Italy when we leave the EU.