Lakeland 100 - 2013

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Originally Posted by Naked Rambler

I got round the 100 and have given up any thoughts of a BG because of my comically slow pace on the ascents over the weekend. My legs were fine, feet a bit trashed but nothing too bad, I was fine on the descents. No problems with the distance or length of time on feet, I just know I'd never make up on the descents what I'd lose on the ascents, so I'm not going to try.

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Wrong answer Mal.Com :thunbdown:
I have been following you on Strava (I aint a stalker mind :o) You have done miles but theres not much climbing done. I was even poorer on the ascents last year and for last 2-3 months I have done nothing but hills and I feel much stronger now, my next step would be to learn to run up those hills :w00t: My advise to you is spend a month or 2 walking up proper hills and definitley your answer will be different then. :thumbup:

I am also thinking maybe next year we can get enough people to do the Strollers Billy Bland Challenge ;-)

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Originally Posted by Derby Tup

A bit of perspective

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Yes, that does put our disappointment, worries, etc in perspective - a message for all.

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Originally Posted by Derby Tup

A bit of perspective

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Yes that really does put things into perspective.
I was entered for this year, and due to a stomach bug i didn't start the race. I was disappointed but ultimately it is just a self imposed challenge. Some other challenges in life are much tougher.

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Originally Posted by Derby Tup

A bit of perspective

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Well put mate.

Well said Andrew, sorry to hear about your friend, sending best wishes, Mark

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Originally Posted by Derby Tup

A bit of perspective

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It's why we must every effort into every day each and everyone of us, may his journey be pain free and his family be by his side.
Our thoughts and prayers don't seem enough but better than nothing xx

Sorry to hear about your friend Derby tup and yes it does put the disappointment of a DNF in to perspective.

My reflections

That was an interesting experience, didn't get round had to stop at Ambleside not least due to the pain in my feet! Set off a what felt a very easy pace and felt ok at Dalemain but after that started to feel like I was running on hot coals. As it got hotter gear that had been ok on long runs started to rub through till I bled, groin, waist, back and even my arm where it touched my bottle pouch as I ran. Towards the end couldn't stand the bottle in my pouch as it started hurting my ribs. Should have stopped at Kentmere as I could only walk over from Mardale but forced myself on to Ambleside that took nearly 4 hours!! realised I didn't want to finish the race like this and called it a day. Strangely I'm trying to figure out what I can alter to improve my chances next time :D

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Originally Posted by Baggins

That was an interesting experience, didn't get round had to stop at Ambleside not least due to the pain in my feet! Set off a what felt a very easy pace and felt ok at Dalemain but after that started to feel like I was running on hot coals. As it got hotter gear that had been ok on long runs started to rub through till I bled, groin, waist, back and even my arm where it touched my bottle pouch as I ran. Towards the end couldn't stand the bottle in my pouch as it started hurting my ribs. Should have stopped at Kentmere as I could only walk over from Mardale but forced myself on to Ambleside that took nearly 4 hours!! realised I didn't want to finish the race like this and called it a day. Strangely I'm trying to figure out what I can alter to improve my chances next time :D

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Wondered what happened to you Bill. It's a tough do; that's for sure :closed:

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Originally Posted by Derby Tup

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Hi DT, Not sure I agree with you reflections on the food on offer. I thought the range of food at regular intervals was great and exactly as set out in the notes/menu provided in advance. I know that the soup (except the Thai carrot at Dockray!), pasta and sarnies were what kept me going. This was my first go at this and I was surprised how much I actually enjoyed most of it, last few miles were not the most pleasant with knee pain. Great event and an amazing feeling when you are welcomed back in to the hall by everyone. Good luck for next year, you do need luck on this.

I agree about the food. For the LL50 I thought it was spot on and was quite impressed by the range of sweet and savoury on offer. The fresh fruit smoothies and pieces of fruit plus the nachos/doritos etc were really welcome and the soup was lovely. I didn't bother with the pasta because I can't stomach much when running but it was good to know it was on offer if I'd have been struggling. From a veggie point of view, I thought we were well catered for.

I didn't need to resort to a single gel but I guess everyone is different and the LL100 is a different beast to the 50!!

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Originally Posted by Fairweather

Hi DT, Not sure I agree with you reflections on the food on offer. I thought the range of food at regular intervals was great and exactly as set out in the notes/menu provided in advance. I know that the soup (except the Thai carrot at Dockray!), pasta and sarnies were what kept me going. This was my first go at this and I was surprised how much I actually enjoyed most of it, last few miles were not the most pleasant with knee pain. Great event and an amazing feeling when you are welcomed back in to the hall by everyone. Good luck for next year, you do need luck on this.

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Originally Posted by Baggins

That was an interesting experience, didn't get round had to stop at Ambleside not least due to the pain in my feet! Set off a what felt a very easy pace and felt ok at Dalemain but after that started to feel like I was running on hot coals. As it got hotter gear that had been ok on long runs started to rub through till I bled, groin, waist, back and even my arm where it touched my bottle pouch as I ran. Towards the end couldn't stand the bottle in my pouch as it started hurting my ribs. Should have stopped at Kentmere as I could only walk over from Mardale but forced myself on to Ambleside that took nearly 4 hours!! realised I didn't want to finish the race like this and called it a day. Strangely I'm trying to figure out what I can alter to improve my chances next time :D

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I was the same Baggins but with the added problem of running in brand spanking new hoka's! Going into the event I was planning to run in my bog standard Inov8 mudclaw 265's but I knew that, what with all the hard ground, my feet would innevitably take a pasting in the second half. On an impulse I tried on a pair of hoka's at the endurance shop in the registration area and they seemed to fit perfectly so I went for them instead.

Unfortunately they didn't quite fit perfectly, with the fitting being a bit too wide, and my toes started to get pushed against the inside front of the shoes fairly early doors and the pain gradually getting worse mile by mile. Come the descent down to Haweswater, my toes were absolute agony. The bottoms of my feet stung too and all in all I was shuffling along, barely moving at all at times. From the top of the hill after Fusedale to Marldale CP took me absolutely ages - it was like crossing the sahara walking on broken glass :). I threw in the towel at Mardale. A case of out of the pan with the mudclaws and into the fire with the hoka's for me then!

Mind you, long term I think the hoka's will be the solution. I think I need to wear two pairs of socks or perhaps add an inner sole and they should be okay. When eventually my toes of doom have repaired themselves I'll give the hoka's another run out

I also think getting my feet wet soon after Seathwaite may have had a hand in my feet stinging so much later on.

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Originally Posted by Stolly

I was the same Baggins but with the added problem of running in brand spanking new hoka's! Going into the event I was planning to run in my bog standard Inov8 mudclaw 265's but I knew that, what with all the hard ground, my feet would innevitably take a pasting in the second half. On an impulse I tried on a pair of hoka's at the endurance shop in the registration area and they seemed to fit perfectly so I went for them instead.

Unfortunately they didn't quite fit perfectly, with the fitting being a bit too wide, and my toes started to get pushed against the inside front of the shoes fairly early doors and the pain gradually getting worse mile by mile. Come the descent down to Haweswater, my toes were absolute agony. The bottoms of my feet stung too and all in all I was shuffling along, barely moving at all at times. From the top of the hill after Fusedale to Marldale CP took me absolutely ages - it was like crossing the sahara walking on broken glass :). I threw in the towel at Mardale. A case of out of the pan with the mudclaws and into the fire with the hoka's for me then!

Mind you, long term I think the hoka's will be the solution. I think I need to wear two pairs of socks or perhaps add an inner sole and they should be okay. When eventually my toes of doom have repaired themselves I'll give the hoka's another run out

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Made the same mistake last year, brand new Hoka's, got a 9, should have got 9 and a half, hotspots going up Walna scar road. Feet were fooked at Dalemain but changed into another pair, different model, id broken in. Damage limitation seemed to work, feet were a mess at the end but leg muscles felt great. Since got a 9 and a half and jobs reet now.
Live and learn Stolly, you'll know next time. Having said that it's a foot wrecking route with the terrain and wetness, if you get round with no blisters your a very lucky chap or chappess :)

On the foot shoe/foot front, I first of all smother my feet in SUDOCREM then put on a ninjini base sock with a mono skin over the top of that , and in the case of the Lakeland 100 I wore a £34 pair of NB 290 road shoes (I used road shoes based on my knowledge of the paths and the dryness/hardness underfoot) and I have to say it was a combination that worked very very well not a blister, hot spot, battered toe`s no sore calfs or quads however once the Heavens opened the lack of grip on wet rock and grass from the road shoes had me wishing that I had carried my mimilist NB V2 to change into should the conditions change which of course they did but then it is always easy to be wise in retrospect I guess.

In a nutshell Sudocrem. Ninjini topped with Mono Skin socks and appropiate footwear for the prevailing conditions has long worked for me, (steer clear of vaseline,) oh yes Spread sudocrem over all parts of the body where you are likely to chaff messy but it works (for me at least).

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Originally Posted by JohnK

On the foot shoe/foot front, I first of all smother my feet in SUDOCREM then put on a ninjini base sock with a mono skin over the top of that , and in the case of the Lakeland 100 I wore a £34 pair of NB 290 road shoes (I used road shoes based on my knowledge of the paths and the dryness/hardness underfoot) and I have to say it was a combination that worked very very well not a blister, hot spot, battered toe`s no sore calfs or quads however once the Heavens opened the lack of grip on wet rock and grass from the road shoes had me wishing that I had carried my mimilist NB V2 to change into should the conditions change which of course they did but then it is always easy to be wise in retrospect I guess.

In a nutshell Sudocrem. Ninjini topped with Mono Skin socks and appropiate footwear for the prevailing conditions has long worked for me, (steer clear of vaseline,) oh yes Spread sudocrem over all parts of the body where you are likely to chaff messy but it works (for me at least).

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Hi John, thanks for posting this re Sudocrem etc. Very thought provoking. Great to catch up properly on Saturday afternoon :thumbup:

I've used, and mentioned Lanacane for areas that chafe. I still thing its good stuff, but for some reason it didn't work this time. Possibly it got washed/rubbed off!? I think I was fine up to Ambleside when the sky's opened and I got soaked!!

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Originally Posted by Adnan Khan

Maybe I am trying to fit in with you lot :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by JohnK

In a nutshell Sudocrem. Ninjini topped with Mono Skin socks and appropiate footwear for the prevailing conditions has long worked for me, (steer clear of vaseline,) oh yes Spread sudocrem over all parts of the body where you are likely to chaff messy but it works (for me at least).

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Out of interest, why not Vaseline? I have used that on feet and all chaffing areas and have never had an issue. It needs replacing as it gets rubbed and washed off, so I'm interested in your preference.

I think the only things against Vaseline, is that ( as you say ) it rubs off, but it also attracts dust and grit. Although very expensive I think Bodylide is a better alternative.http://www.bodyglide.com/

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Originally Posted by Alan Lucker

I think the only things against Vaseline, is that ( as you say ) it rubs off, but it also attracts dust and grit. Although very expensive I think Bodylide is a better alternative.http://www.bodyglide.com/

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Just to clarify - bodyglide on feet? I use it - er - elsewhere - and it works very well.

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Originally Posted by Mike T

Just to clarify - bodyglide on feet? I use it - er - elsewhere - and it works very well.

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It is good on feet. But as with everything there are limits. The L100 is definitely well beyond the limit for me.

Sudocrem is basically a barrier cream that is designed for nappy rash etc therefore it is more stable when confronted with moisture e.g. sweat, (well evidenced when you try to wash it off your hands) Plus if it helps the tender skin of a baby then it sure as hell will do wonders for the grizzled skin of an ultra runner.

Joking aside I have long used sudocreme to good effect and prefer it to vaseline for the reasons already stated plus I am not happy smothering my body with a petroleum based product, but as with all things we are all different and what works for one, may well not work for another, another good point is that SUDOCREME is cheap compared to the so called propriety brands that are designed to empty your wallet and I would suggest trying Sudocreme before paying out on the more expensive brands.

Yes it was great to catch up DT but I was saddened a little for you and Steph when you decided to Bail at Mardale although I know it was the right decision for you both, I threw in the towel at Ambleside due to an ongoing loss of hearing in my left ear giving me slight balance problems which where being exacerbated by the lack of wet grip of my road shoes, no worries though all part of life's rich tapestry and you can rest assured that me and the Lakeland 100 are not finished yet, although I am not planning on doing it next year as there are other fish to fry in 2014 all of which will require copious amounts of Sudocreme:thumbup:

I used Lanacane and it worked well but I probably should have been a bit more liberal in ahem, certain areas. Ran the last 20 miles feeling like I was clenching a sheet of coarse grade sandpaper between my butt cheeks! On the shoe front, that was a bit more successful. Ran to Dalemain in Saucony Kinvara tr, very comfortable indeed, then changed to Kinvara 3 road shoes which were even comfortabler! Trail slippers! When the rain came I feared the worst but those thing turned out to have incredible grip on wet rock, better than any fell shoe I've tried. Also good on grass, wet and dry, they were amazing! However, on mud they were totally and utterly useless, I was on my arse a couple of times. All in all though a gamble that paid off, my feet suffered minimal damage.

On the Vomiting front a bit of reading for you http://fellrnr.com/wiki/NSAIDs_and_Running

An account here :- http://www.lehigh.edu/~dmd1/kidney.html

Given the temperatures last weekend, coupled with the possible use of NSAIDs and the detrimental effect on the kidneys and hydration then I am not suprised that there was a lot of Nausea

I have not used NSAIDS for years and I use Ginger for its anti- inflammatory properties, before, during and after an event

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16117603

It always disappoints me that whilst you may often find coke (caffeine )at events I have yet to find ginger served up as often as it should be, (except at some LDWA event`s) say in the form of flat ginger beer or even ginger cake or biscuits a great and useful alternative to the boring bog standard malt bread /custard cream.

I also avoid caffeine

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Originally Posted by JohnK

Sudocrem is basically a barrier cream that is designed for nappy rash etc therefore it is more stable when confronted with moisture e.g. sweat, (well evidenced when you try to wash it off your hands) Plus if it helps the tender skin of a baby then it sure as hell will do wonders for the grizzled skin of an ultra runner.

Joking aside I have long used sudocreme to good effect and prefer it to vaseline for the reasons already stated plus I am not happy smothering my body with a petroleum based product, but as with all things we are all different and what works for one, may well not work for another, another good point is that SUDOCREME is cheap compared to the so called propriety brands that are designed to empty your wallet and I would suggest trying Sudocreme before paying out on the more expensive brands.

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Cheers JohnK, I will try Sudocreme on my next outing and see how I go.

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Originally Posted by JohnK

On the Vomiting front a bit of reading for you http://fellrnr.com/wiki/NSAIDs_and_Running

An account here :- http://www.lehigh.edu/~dmd1/kidney.html

Given the temperatures last weekend, coupled with the possible use of NSAIDs and the detrimental effect on the kidneys and hydration then I am not suprised that there was a lot of Nausea

I have not used NSAIDS for years and I use Ginger for its anti- inflammatory properties, before, during and after an event

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16117603

It always disappoints me that whilst you may often find coke (caffeine )at events I have yet to find ginger served up as often as it should be, (except at some LDWA event`s) say in the form of flat ginger beer or even ginger cake or biscuits a great and useful alternative to the boring bog standard malt bread /custard cream.

I also avoid caffeine

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NSAID + ULTRA = bad combination. How effective ginger is as a medicine I have no idea but it is delicious in both drinks (non alcoholic for me) and food.

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Originally Posted by JohnK

On the Vomiting front a bit of reading for you http://fellrnr.com/wiki/NSAIDs_and_Running

An account here :- http://www.lehigh.edu/~dmd1/kidney.html

Given the temperatures last weekend, coupled with the possible use of NSAIDs and the detrimental effect on the kidneys and hydration then I am not suprised that there was a lot of Nausea

I have not used NSAIDS for years and I use Ginger for its anti- inflammatory properties, before, during and after an event

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16117603

It always disappoints me that whilst you may often find coke (caffeine )at events I have yet to find ginger served up as often as it should be, (except at some LDWA event`s) say in the form of flat ginger beer or even ginger cake or biscuits a great and useful alternative to the boring bog standard malt bread /custard cream.

I also avoid caffeine

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I can understand your point totally and will take that into account. However after suffering terrible nausea, headache and dizziness from up Fusedale to Mardale Head, I took two Ibuprofen at Mardale Head and then 15 minutes later felt like a new woman and picked off 153 people to the finish :wink:
On the chaffage front I did pretty well with just a small area across my back. Feet were perfectly comfortable in my Salomon Speedcross apart from stubbing my toe on a rock which has resulted in a black toenail :thunbdown:

On the important subject of lubricants I use three varieties - Sportslick for the feet, Brave Soldier Friction Zone for the undercarriage and associated crevices, and Bodyglide for around the armpits. They have made Ultra-running such a comfortable experience compared to the early years. In my first Hundred in 2000 in monsoon-like conditions, trenchfoot was widespread and my a*se cheeks welded together painfully. :thunbdown:

Now for something completely different. Here's the best of the pictures I took on the Lakeland 100 weekend. There would have been more had the first showers not forced me to put the (clapped-out) camera away before Kentmere. Sorry for the dreadful quality.

Did the Husky make it? the last time I saw it was in Borrowdale

I can't remember the details but I think Otto had an altercation with some sheep in the dark and pulled Jon over and Jon hurt his knee so had to pull out. That was the vague news...now someone else can fill in the details.

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Did the Husky make it? the last time I saw it was in Borrowdale

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Originally Posted by Hes

I can't remember the details but I think Otto had an altercation with some sheep in the dark and pulled Jon over and Jon hurt his knee so had to pull out. That was the vague news...now someone else can fill in the details.

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That's right Hes, Jon hurt his back, knee and quad, made it to Blencathra centre but could go no further, both alive and well and currently on holiday in the French alps, lucky sods :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by stevefoster

That's right Hes, Jon hurt his back, knee and quad, made it to Blencathra centre but could go no further, both alive and well and currently on holiday in the French alps, lucky sods :thumbup:

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Now that is style, glad they are both OK Otto`s enthusiasm was amazing.

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Originally Posted by JohnK

Now that is style, glad they are both OK Otto`s enthusiasm was amazing.

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Top dog is Otto, nice pic of him on holiday :)Attachment 7143

I've just uploaded my L100 report, with photos. The link to all the photos is in there as well. Contrary to what I said to others during the low points, as soon as I'd finished I knew I wanted to return next year. It's a shame I'll be away when entries open. By the time I return from Chamonix I bet it'll be filled. :thunbdown:

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Originally Posted by BritNick

I've just uploaded my L100 report, with photos. The link to all the photos is in there as well. Contrary to what I said to others during the low points, as soon as I'd finished I knew I wanted to return next year. It's a shame I'll be away when entries open. By the time I return from Chamonix I bet it'll be filled. :thunbdown:

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Brilliant report, loved the recovery story , thanks for the time spent writing it - it might help fuel a new trend in ham sandwiches as fell running fodder.
Joking aside - was it just hydration that got you back - you dont say much about it after that sandwich!

Hi ai. It was the right hydration (mostly water and not too much of it) with just enough food to keep me ticking over. It became mostly checkpoint food (the odd sandwich, cake, biscuits, stew!) and not much of my own food (energy bar, few gels, mini pork pie).

the most traumatic moment of the whole race was when I found out there had been pork pies at Braithwaite and I'd failed to notice them :w00t:

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Originally Posted by paulo

the most traumatic moment of the whole race was when I found out there had been pork pies at Braithwaite and I'd failed to notice them :w00t:

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Now that is traumatic, never mind yer poncy blisters, sleep deprivation, stomach problems and feeling like death. This man has suffered big style, brings tears to my pies, I mean eyes, you have my respect paulo:w00t:

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Originally Posted by BritNick

Hi ai. It was the right hydration (mostly water and not too much of it) with just enough food to keep me ticking over. It became mostly checkpoint food (the odd sandwich, cake, biscuits, stew!) and not much of my own food (energy bar, few gels, mini pork pie).

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Great write up Nick, well done.