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I have fallen a number of times on wet grass when sprinting in barefeet when turning a corner, I find I still slip in the VFF KSO but for some reason I dont slip as bad in the Classic, looking forward to the trek later this month I hope its the answer to my prayers.
I'd love a go in the trek, but don't think I'll be able to justify another 80-100 quid on a pair of "shoes" to the missus ever again! I'm known as the Imelda Marcos of barefoot running in my house.
Maybe try running barefoot then!!!:p:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Twister
Love to Pilgrim, and still do occasionally, but have to admit the majority of the places I like to run are just too much for pure barefoot, the same for extended periods in the 'Brams. So for most stuff I'm using X-Talons until either inov-8 comes out with their new show, or I can persuade the missus that I really need the treks :D
I got my KSOs for £50 hand carried back from the states , same plan for the Trek so a big saving. I really like the Talons on the rougher stuff bit stick with the F-lites on the trails and roads.
I really, really struggle to comprehend just how and why so many forumites seem to have such humungous running shoe 'stables' behind them to feed their hobby - I imagine a floor to ceiling shelving system controlled by a clever voice activated computer terminal where, by speaking in the ground and weather conditions, a robot arm buzzes and whirs into action and selects your requisite shoes for you :D.
I have two pairs of running shoes, a pair of Walsh PB Elite Extremes that I wear for running 99.9999999% of the time and my 'posh' saloman trail running shoes that I wear well to to go out really and for the very occasional road run. When my Walshes are totalled I buy another pair. Simple :)
My name is Dod and I am a kit junkie
Hey up Stolly
You mean you dont consult the Inov8 matrices for
activity
http://http://www.inov-8.com/Product...sp?PG=PG1&L=26
Terrain
http://http://www.inov-8.com/Products-Terrain.asp?PG=PG1&L=26
&TID=15
Sole compound,etc
http://http://www.inov-8.com/Product...sp?PG=PG1&L=26
Before choosing which shoes to wear.:D
Loads of my mates waste loads of money on some stupid thing they call golf ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
My intire array of fine sporting shoes still cost less than a set of clubs and a camp tshirt :D
Sorry ,
I've probably just offended someone .
Don't get me started on golfers attire :D
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Two? That's a bit excessive ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
He's got the look .
I wonder if those shoes would be any good on the fells ?
Barefoot golfing?
I might well be the Imelda Marcos of barefoot running. This is due to the phenomenal amount of shoes that I have purchased in my five year quest to find the right shoe for me. My present thoughts are that no shoe is the right shoe for me and hence my jumping on the barefoot bandwagon, during my foray into barefoot running I have found that mountain running or trail running barefoot is for the well'ard, so I need something on my feet. Hence my shoe of choice for fell and trail is the X-talon, and everything else is either VFF or barefoot.
This has left me with a large shelf of reasonably good condition shoes which could be going cheep if anyone's interested...
I've got a decent pair of Mudclaws 330, Mountain bear glads, and the orange montrails that came out before the highlander. All size 10 apart from the montrails that are size 9.5, PM if interested :)
Hi my name is Luc,Quote:
Originally Posted by Twister
I'm a minimalist shoes addict. :o
One of my best friend is acusing me of being the Imelda Marcos of minimalist shoes...
Half of my addiction problem I have is because I'm trying to find decent minimalist shoes to wear at the office. They must get unnoticed by coworkers Police Shoes Wannabes. I'll have to chose between, Vivo Dharma, Camper Peu and Sanuk Overboard...
The other half is because I'm trying to find something that will work in the mountains and in marathon when forecats are telling me that I might end up having problems dealing with themperature control...
And don't tell others I'm piling up material that I'll use trying to find out my ultimate variant of Huaraches sandals... :o
Try finding minimalist shoes for working on a building site! Impossible. I do mainly private work so don't need to wear toe protecting boots but really should do. I'm looking into modifying a pair of converse Allstars somehow.
In my work I sometimes have to go to the "garage" part of our building. Of course safety shoes are mandatory. I try to avoid those visits as much as I can because my feet can't stand being in those damn safety shoes!
Recently got some black leather Vivo Dharmas for work - the most comfy shoes I've ever worn for my wide high arched flippers, especially with the insoles removed. They do however look to me a lot like those old fashioned slippers my dad used to wear - mind you, can't be too bad as no one at work has made a comment yet. btw I'm currently having to take a week or so out of running due to calf strain (both legs) as a consequence of getting a bit carried away on one of my first 'barefoot' (ie aqua shoes) runs. Doh!:(Quote:
Originally Posted by bfluc
Vivo Barefoot have a whole new range of shoes, some even look "normal"!
They are far too expensive though!
If you're lucky and you're the right size, you can pick up some cheapo vivo barefoot shoes on amazon - I recently had to return a pair of size 10 dharmas because they were a little too snug for my wide size 10 feet, but they would have cost me £37.50 postage free. The size 11s I ended up with were £60. If you're tempted to buy from the terra plana website, it's dead easy to find a 20% off code, which helps a bit (MVC0909 seem to work at the moment). Not much good for running mind you - not enough grip for me - even on tarmac. Vibram fivefingers? - now THAT'S expensive - quite happy with my £5 aqua shoes (minus insoles) for now thankyou very much.
Just seen an article on the VFF Treks in the Saturday Telegraph magazine, plus another article on barefoot lifestyles in one of the pull out sections*
Middle England is on it...
*I'm not in any shape or form a telegraph reader, it was at my mum's place :)
did a barefoot track session this morning and feet still tingling now! must be worth it somehow! lap times were slower than week before with trainers on mind:mad:
Just take it easy, your feet, calves etc have to adjust to the new freedom:)Quote:
Originally Posted by team pie
I once did a session on a treadmill barefoot coz i had forgot my trainers.
Felt fine at first until i got off and realised it was like running on a sanding belt and all the skin had been removed from my toes.
I couldnt walk for a week and vowed never to try that again.
Now im running barefoot on grass...its great in the rain.
But now Im thinking more about strengthening my feet etc rather than a work out.
A co-worker who had forgotten his trainers also did that. He said to himself: "If Luc can do it I surely can do it."Quote:
Originally Posted by Inov-8 Insider
If I had been in the gym I would have told him to forget it. He confessed to me later that he got blisters...
Even if you have a good running form and manage avoiding blisters you're not going to like the experience if you're not giving you a chance to adapt. Barefoot running is going to make you a humble person. :D
I didnt want to keep you all waiting too long so heres a prototype
HERE :D
Like it:D Shouldn't the toe nails be black?
No thanks! I own a pair way better than that! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Inov-8 Insider
Soz forgot to say thats the road version.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Skids
5hours + in Peak today in 285s. Thought might have sore feet but fine tbh. Shoes not so bright red now mind! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Do you think that a less cushioning shoe might affect knee pain?
From my own experience I have found that barefoot running and minimalist shoes( less cushioning) have actually helped me go from a "crocked" runner who was see a physio every week who was trying to sort out my IT band, knee & achilles problems to someone who is now running most days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyros76
It is claimed that when we run were landing with between 10 to 12 times our body weight.
No small amount of EVA, GOO, AIR, SPRING is going to absorb enough of that shock to make a significant difference, what comes into play is your muscles, the arch of your foot, tendons, ligaments etc.
Get the basics working right and strengthen your feet, ankles, calves, quads, hamstrings.
I think you are the right person to answer my question :) . I have the X-Talons and although i love the snug fit and lightness, i get knee pain after 2 hours. I am not if this is caused by the less cushioning or maybe the Talons are not the right shoes for the kind of terrain i run.
The X-Talon like all our race shoes are low profile ie: 2 arrow midsole so that your closer to the ground and very flexible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyros76
It may be that your "other" shoes have a more built up midsole or some sort of "posting" or stiffners.
Without knowing which shoes you run and train in its difficult to say were your knee pain is coming from , im also no expert on injuries( not even my own)
As an example think of all your footwear, your everyday shoes are these low profile?
Your road shoes, built up or minimalist?
Off-road shoes, if its just the X-Talon then they are low profile minimalist.
I personally try to get all my footwear to be a similar type MINIMALIST.
My everyday shoe is a 2 arrow F-Lite 230 minus foot beds or a VIVO barefoot shoe, my off-road/trail shoes are Roclite 285 minus the footbeds, my fell shoes are X-Talon 2 cushion minus footbeds.
I try and run a couple of times a week barefoot to strengthen my feet, ankles etc.
My road running shoes are Pearl Izumi Peak and my everyday shoes the Roclite 370. It is also difficult for me to guess if it is the less cushioning or the terrain the cause of the pain, but i think that the X-Talons are a more "specific" shoe for fell racing and especially soft muddy surfaces, while for fire roads or rocky paths a better choice would be the Roclite 285/295 which are more of an "all round" shoe. I think the bigger studs are suitable for mud, soft surface and not for rock.
You could be right, I'm doing everything in the X-talons and even brief sections of road to link up trails/footpaths to where I live and the hills. My terrain could be described as mixed. :) I have a number of routes which are on tracks and rocky paths like you. I think I may be pushing the Talons to their limits, the stickiness has gone and I can feel the studs a bit on the hard pack stuff. Let me know if you decide to go for the 285's I'd be interested to see what you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyros76
I am not really suffering from wearing the talons for everything, (I'm doing less and less in the Vibrams as I keep getting stone bruising). In fact I think that it's best to have less shoes. If you have a number of different shoes, for example a road shoe, trail shoe and a fell shoe, then your feet are going to be in slightly different positions when you run in each of these different shoes. I think that this maybe the cause of your knee pain. I'd imagine (although I'm not familiar with the model) that the Pearls could have a reasonable heel in them, if you were running a couple of times a week in these and then taking the Talons out for a long run on the weekend then the cause of the pain could be due to the change - It's a possibility anyway.
Try and go a few weeks in only one pair of shoes, and try and make your everyday shoes something really flat, like converse for example. Consider replacing road shoes with Vibrams or a flat.
Guess what, i had achilles pain while rurring with the Peak's yesterday :)
Yeah I reckon that's the problem then, give it a go. I ditched my last pair of road shoes at the start of the year and I haven't looked back since. :)
TwisterQuote:
Originally Posted by Twister
You and I are on the same wave length :D