It was exactly the same and everyone was calling for a red card then. It depends which side you are on.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Incidentally, the two teams who have gone through were both in Man City's group.
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It was exactly the same and everyone was calling for a red card then. It depends which side you are on.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Incidentally, the two teams who have gone through were both in Man City's group.
Let's examine the evidence;Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
* Interview before the game where he said his next job will be in England, but not at Chelsea.
* The way he walked off the pitch before the final whistle, apologising to baconchops, walking towards the tunnel, head bowed.
* Then the interview where he says the best team lost.
I'd say he wants that job. As clear as the red nose on Baconfaces face.
no chance... de jong was intent.. watch his face..Quote:
Originally Posted by Swoop
intent has no bearing on the refs deision!Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
What about Rafael's handball on the line? Should have been red card and penalty.
That's just such a non-sensical argument..Quote:
Originally Posted by Deadlegs
Refs get decisions wrong so as long as they even themselves out it's OK? Madrid have also had men sent off..
Reverend I think it does, and so does refs like Gallagher. He said it was a yellow, Nani's eyes were on the ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCyWro_AqxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSyINhwk31I
You cannot.. in anyway compare the two challenges. Nani was trying to control a high ball, the player was coming in from his side. De Jong is going in for the challenge knowing the player is there...
They are just so incomparable it is shocking its even being discussed in the same breath..
Wanting to be the best loser..Quote:
Originally Posted by Swoop
United deserved to go through, but thats football.. you win games you shouldn't and you lose games you shouldn't. I don't think the ref was anything untoward, just a bad call, like the FA/refs dont favour Man U.
It is true that in the EPL that wouldn't have even been a yellow.. in europe its far harder.
Balotelli "Man United fans saying it wasn't a red card should watch the replay & see the colour of the card, maybe they are colour blind"
Brilliant. :D
im rather warming to roy keane
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Originally Posted by lilactime
;) Me too Lilac, me too.
I notice the rags on here haven't mentioned the wrongly disallowed goal in the 1st half.
They haven't really mentioned the Rafael handball which should have been a penalty and a red card.
They forget their goal in the 1st leg was from a corner, where the ball went out for a goal kick but a corner was given in error.
Thats 3 huge slices of luck they had in the tie, 4 if you look at Madrids own goal in the game but they insist on blaming the ref, who made the right call.:confused:
Rubbish...Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
1. It all comes out in the wash.. you win some you lose some.. we get a call refs are biased.. we get one against us and its tough.. it works both ways.. this time we were on the wrong side of a bad call.. like with scholes v porto.. but we've had other ones in our favour.. that's life..
2. call was wrong.
3. keane just says the opposite because..
so if nani's head was facing a different way ( toward the advancing player ), in your argument this would change the refs decision! So the same high footed, dangerous play, would have a different outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
You can't have rules open to interpretation in this way, hence in the rule book, intent is nothing, as how does the ref know what the players intent was ?!
Intent is involved.. if a keeper punches a player with the ball in the vicinity.. its OK..if the ball is not there he will get a red...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReverand
refs do take intent into consideration..
The rulebook states the only foul play where intent should be considered is handball, nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
The ref gave a red card, suggesting he deemed Nani's foot to be dangerously high. It's Nani's responsibility to be aware of what's going on around him when raising his foot that high. It doesn't mean he "intended" to hit the other player (it's plain to see he didn't), but he's still responsible for what the ref considered dangerous play. It's a shame he was sent off and it almost certainly spoiled the tie and resulted in Man U going out, but that's footy and, in the eyes of the game's laws, it's hard to argue the ref made the wrong call.
Really? I thought even then there was no mentoon..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
clearly used or not intent is a factor..
Very clearly the wrong call and 95% of pundits and ex-refs think the same...
The term 'deliberate' is definitely used in hand-ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
As for Nani's sending off, I'm not sure where your stats come from, but it's not that clear. I've read/heard plenty of debate about it. I think it comes down to whether or not you consider Nani's actions dangerous. On balance I'd probably say no and it shouldn't have been a red, but if the ref thought it was dangerous his decision is legitimate. So, yeah, I don't necessarily agree with it, but I can see why the ref gave it... it's not a ludicrous decision, he's not seen something that didn't happen or fallen for a blatant dive, he just used his judgement. Nani's foot was high and potentially dangerous; it's hardly the hand of God.
They were debating on the wireless whether such an important event should be allowed to be influenced so heavily by the decision of just one person.
I had to question if we should instead be asking: Should an event that can be influenced so heavily by just one person's decision be so important?
It is just a game after all. :)
This amused me: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/...-2013030862170
quote from Mancini:
"I have watched Barnsley and it is clear they are not Real Madrid"
I love that man
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Originally Posted by DazTheSlug
So do I Daz but this is City we're talking about. Despite the money and the squad i still find it extrememly difficult to shake off the odd niggling doubt and the typical City mentality. Let's be honest against lower league opposition we have a rich and inglorious history!
Clearly we shouldn't have a problem and Barnsley shouldn't be able to cope with our attack and our back four shouldn't have the slightest difficulty. But this is City and over the years we have seen Halifax, Chesterfield, Oldham, Brighton, Brentford Nottingham Forest, Frickley Colliery, Barrow, Gateshead, The Hare and Hounds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .!:w00t:
First blood to Utd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
I think you would really like to beat them in the final though Danbert :D
2-2 ! good comeback from Chelsea but will they take their foot off the gas ?
Good second half from Chelsea, Utd looked a bit jaded though later in the game. Good management decisions by Rafa :thumbup:
Good draw for Wigan getting the lower league side.
Should be some good games with others.
Wigan v a Manchester team is mystic Alf's prediction for the final :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
Think we saw enough evidence to say that the rags could quite easily blow the the league and the cup today. :w00t:
how did city go from everyones favorite 2nd team, to be as hated as chelski? oh I see the common denominator....
Oi Mancinni....NO!!!!!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-up-8m-1753497
He's a good prospect but not worth £8 million at the moment. if they seriously offered that I'd take it. £8 million goes a long way in our division.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Agreed. He's got bags of potential, but £8m could do a lot for our squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
Not sure it'd be the best move for him though. Looks to me like another case of a talented young player being gobbled up by a top club to play in the reserves and keep a spot on the bench warm.
Not shocked but sad to see McDermott sacked at Reading..
Him and Adkins both paid the price for being too successful on meagre bugets.. too much too soon..
Di canio will be a huge risk..
"Rooney will never leave Man Utd" - Bobby Charlton .
Last week Ferguson insisted there was no way Rooney will be allowed to leave the club this summer - ("we didn't burn him" :rolleyes:)
Its getting like a 'League of Gentlemen' at Old Trafford these days :D
Nothing like bigging up a player's worth before flogging him to the highest bidder?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf
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Originally Posted by dominion
Rooney? He isn't worth much.. 3 years in him at most. I'd be shocked if he's a giggs.. even a Ferdinand.
He'll get another contract at Man U worth a lot less than he's on now. He's a top player but he's rapidly reaching his 30's and he'll finish early.
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Originally Posted by IainR
Hopefully we await the usual 'new manager' sudden improved team performance this weekend:)
Aye.. I think if we take 3 points.. 15 points.. 27 to play for... its then a massive gap.. w've still some hard games.. we'll see..Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
Incredible how Everton have beaten you 4 years on the trot.. didn't see it.. couldn't even listen due to rights but all text updates (BBC, guardian, Mail) suggested it was a deffo second red and a penalty...
This time last year United had played 29 = 70 pts, City 28 66 points and a superior goal difference (+3).
This year, United 28 = 71 points, City 29 = 59 points and United have superior goal difference (+12).
TBH if City catch us that goal difference will almost certainly be about level again..
We need a win tonight to not give City belief.. we actually have a tougher run in..
Not even worth talking about, Utd win tonight and can then probably afford to get no more points this season and still win, City are poor and so inconsistent, Mancini has to be odds on to get the axe between now and the start of next season.
Maybe he'll take the Leeds job :w00t:
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Originally Posted by TheReverand
Personally I will support Mancini until the end of his tenure.
I am however concerned that maybe the players aren't wanting to play for him. Why this is I will never know but it will still not stop my support of him :confused: